Thread: Hispanic Culture Should Be Invisible in the United States.

Here are some facts from CBS News. Illegal aliens are angry and DEMANDING a path to U. S. citizenship - yeah right. What kind of idiot thinks law breakers who entered the United States illegally have any rights?

This video shows how angry illegals are at Obama for not opening the door to amnesty. I am angry at Obama because he is not deporting faster! This video from a highly credible source is worth your time.

Don't kid yourself these illegals reproduce like cockroaches and are invading America with little resistance.

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You hear about these things, but never seem to see them until this utube.

Even though I want crimaliens gone from my country, I am embarrassed by idiots like this guy and I wouldn't be suprised if oneday we find his truck in Monterrey with blood stains on the floor. argh...

As to the topic, I agree that our individual familial culture is something that is just melded into being an American and not one which sets us apart from each other.

I really got a kick out of seeing this guy drive a truckload of illegals to the Immigration office and watching them run. At the same time this is not funny. Illegal aliens and their anchor babies cost American taxpayers $113 BILLION a year for education, health care and welfare. Simply stated these are freeloaders who reproduce like cockroaches, now we have 12,000,000 of them. America has been too generous, and now it is time to get forceful, including Mexican American citizens to aide illegals.

I read the other day about this 'heat fence.' An electronic device that would shoot a radar beam over our border. Get too close and the temperature shoots up to 150 degrees pushing any living thing back. I hope it is true. It would be a lot more humane than just shooting the bastards. An idea I approve of. Kill a couple dozen and the rest will get the message fast.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

This information has gone without comment in this thread. Criminal illegal aliens asking me to leave my own country? Over my dead body!

What requirement do you need for something to qualify as a comment? I acknowledged it and pointed out that it's irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Porras

What requirement do you need for something to qualify as a comment? I acknowledged it and pointed out that it's irrelevant.

I think I will pass on this thread. Anyone who is not alarmed that 12,000,000 illegals and anchor babies are running around in our country with the terrorism problem around the world is not being prepared. I don't know why I should care, I have no children and am far enough up the food chain that the $113 BILLION we squander each year on illegals does not affect me that much. When a family of 30 moves into a two bedroom house on your street, it will be your slum.

Everyday Americans are speaking up all over against illegal immigration. This guy is typical.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

I think I will pass on this thread. Anyone who is not alarmed that 12,000,000 illegals and anchor babies are running around in our country with the terrorism problem around the world is not being prepared. I don't know why I should care, I have no children and am far enough up the food chain that the $113 BILLION we squander each year on illegals does not affect me that much. When a family of 30 moves into a two bedroom house on your street, it will be your slum.

ahoy Latterbach,

well met, oh firebrand!

thar be dissentin' points 'o view on how much monies (if any) illegal immigrants cost our nation.

Wendy Sefsaf, a spokeswoman for the Immigration Policy Center which favors a lenient immigration policy, says that conservative analysts overestimate the costs because undocumented workers don't even qualify for unemployment or medical benefits.

At the same time, those whose jobs are paid legally – at least fifty percent, by some estimates – end up paying social security and other payroll taxes without ever collecting benefits. Since illegal immigrants are believed to constitute up to 5 percent of the U.S. economy, their tax contributions will mean a revenue windfall for legal residents.

Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. $100 Billion per Year, Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News

at any rate, to sail back to yer OP, i kinda like when i sail into port 'o any city and find pockets whar different nationalities hath kept thar cultural identity intact, this be true whether i be in Chinatown in NYC or Little Italy in Baltimore or the Ironbound section 'o Newark or Bourough Park in Brooklyn (an area with many Hasidic shops) or the Hispanic section 'o Central Avenue in Charlotte. it makes our nation a colorful place to be in, 'tis somethin' that ought to be celebrated, really.

imma not goin' to go into our immigration policy or me feeling on what kinda border enforcement we ought to have, as that be not the topic 'o yer thread, but i like that this nation hath pockets whar immigrants hath kept thar culture whole. it makes livin' a more colorful and fun experience. 'least thats how i be feelin'.

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Latterbach,

well met, oh firebrand!

thar be dissentin' points 'o view on how much monies (if any) illegal immigrants cost our nation.

Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. $100 Billion per Year, Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News

at any rate, to sail back to yer OP, i kinda like when i sail into port 'o any city and find pockets whar different nationalities hath kept thar cultural identity intact, this be true whether i be in Chinatown in NYC or Little Italy in Baltimore or the Ironbound section 'o Newark or Bourough Park in Brooklyn (an area with many Hasidic shops) or the Hispanic section 'o Central Avenue in Charlotte. it makes our nation a colorful place to be in, 'tis somethin' that ought to be celebrated, really.

imma not goin' to go into our immigration policy or me feeling on what kinda border enforcement we ought to have, as that be not the topic 'o yer thread, but i like that this nation hath pockets whar immigrants hath kept thar culture whole. it makes livin' a more colorful and fun experience. 'least thats how i be feelin'.

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

I agree but one of the problems is they all use their native language to speak with one another and it would be logical for their offspring to be able to use faultless English to have a better chance in moving ahead in the job market. Unless of course they become a majority and can develop success within their own group.


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I don't know where people get the notion that anybody is required to assimilate in a country which extols freedom and liberty for everybody. The original settlers never became Indians, and the native Americans for the most part have generally refused to become white Europeans. Most groups which have come to the US have retained their cultural heritage, and the US is a much greater country as a result.

Until 1924, any Mexican could legally immigrate to the US by merely walking across the border. And again during WWII, the border were reopened again with the Bracero Treaty which extended until 1964. Even now, the "crime" of being an "illegal alien" is a misdemeanor which is rarely punished.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

I agree but one of the problems is they all use their native language to speak with one another and it would be logical for their offspring to be able to use faultless English to have a better chance in moving ahead in the job market. Unless of course they become a majority and can develop success within their own group.


be

ahoy Skeptic1,

i can only speak fer meself and me family members here, matey, but its been me own experience that the offspring 'o the folk ye describe just end up bein' bilingual.

not a terrible thing, aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Formaldehyde

I don't know where people get the notion that anybody is required to assimilate in a country which extols freedom and liberty for everybody. The original settlers never became Indians, and the native Americans for the most part have generally refused to become white Europeans. Most groups which have come to the US have retained their cultural heritage, and the US is a much greater country as a result.

Until 1924, any Mexican could legally immigrate to the US by merely walking across the border. And again during WWII, the border were reopened again with the Bracero Treaty which extended until 1964. Even now, the "crime" of being an "illegal alien" is a misdemeanor which is rarely punished.

I don't know anyone personally that has retained that heritage. I am Dutch originally, and don't know anything about my ancestors culture.

The Indians that assimilated better seemed to have survived a bit more than the ones that said hell no.

I think there is an America Culture, created by assimilation, that changes with time. For me, I never saw the gain of keeping ones original culture. I think a fragmented society is less strong than one that isn't as fragmented. Personally I would like to see all races and cultures assimilate, but it doesn't piss me off if they don't.

Many American Indians live among themselves and still practice many of their native customs. They simply have no desire to assimilate any more than they already have.

New York City is a classic example of a large lack of assimilation as well. There are enclaves scattered around the city which have very large groups of whatever ethic group you can imagine. When immigrants first come to the US, they typically live in one of these communities. There are frequently signs in their native tongue and the restaurants in that neighborhood cook food which is no different that what they would find in their country of origin. Many of the restaurants don't even have menus in English. They typically celebrate their old national holidays and usually speak their native tongue among themselves unless they are trying to be polite to a guest who doesn't speak their language.

My Polish maid was an excellent example. She couldn't speak a word of English, but with the help of friends she could still perform her job. I just needed to speak to an intermediary. By now, she has probably learned a bit of English. And if she has a kid, he will know English fluently by merely going to the public school system. He will also likely know how to speak Polish.

My ex-wife is a second generation Italian. She speaks fluent English with no accent so you would have no idea that her parents have very thick accents despite both being public school teachers. She also understands Italian and it is frequently spoken in her parents' house. They live in Fort Lee which has a huge Italian-American community. If you aren't Italian-American you are treated like an outsider in many of the shops which cater to them. They will likely pretend they don't understand a word of English if you walked into one of the shops. They maintain very close ties to their original ethnic culture and have little tolerance for those who want to force them to assimilate any more than they already have.

There are private clubs in the East Village which are Ukranian. If you aren't invited there by a Ukranian, you are simply not welcone.

I personally see nothing wrong with any of this. After all, this is ostensibly a free and open society which doesn't discriminate against anybody regardless of their ethnicity or cultural background. If they only want to associate with people of their own ethnicity and cultural background that is their business.

Most complaints about not assimilating are directed towards recent Mexican immigrants. They may eventually only have a rudimentary understanding of English which they are naturally reluctant to use, but their children will likely speak English fluently with whatever local accent where they went to school.