Thread: Hispanic Culture Should Be Invisible in the United States.

Originally Posted by C-B-M

There's a difference between "cultural expression" and not being part of America. There are a lot of people who act like they just live here, like this is their spatial location but that's it. That is what ticks people off and there are plenty (as you used the word) of immigrants these days -- generally illegal and more often than not from Mexico -- who act like that.

There's a big part of me that wants to cheer when you say this and encourage you to say more like it. But there is a part of me, too, that wants (maybe "wants" I guess) to look at WHY some of those folks act as seperatist as they do. I had some neighbors who acted like that: We lived in Burbank, right across Olive from NBC. I could hear these guys (a family) in their apartment talking and celebrating and yelling and all the stuff "normal" people do, but when they came outside and especially when they were outside and came in contact with others, they seemed to just shut down.

I got to know them and they opened up a bit when I was around, but mostly they just kept to themselves, celebrated their own stuff (including, btw, 4th of July which, to many of us including them was just a reason to drink beer and barbecue) and didn't really "assimilate" to my way of thinking.

I never did figure that out, but it has often recurred to me the possibility that they behaved like that because they didn't want to stand out in a crowd or maybe that they didn't feel "welcomed." I do try to seperate my displeasure with illegal immigrants from my genuine respect for individuals who might be here illegally.

Originally Posted by Good1

But there is a part of me, too, that wants (maybe "wants" I guess) to look at WHY some of those folks act as seperatist as they do.

The reason people don't assimilate is quite simple. You look at their motivations. And I don't mean it as "illegal immigrants are lazy." Like, the guys who are migrant laborers are hard-working. But they're just here for the work and the money, which they send back home. They don't care about America and, as people have even admitted, they have no interest in even becoming citizens half of the time. But if they get hurt in America, they have no problem going to an American hospital and getting free care. Or if they can't find work, they have no problem using our social services. And then, of course, there are many immigrants who come here and expect to be taken care of by the country.

That's in distinction to the many other immigrants who come here because they actually think well of our country. If you meet these immigrants, they're excited to be Americans. They're proud to become Americans. They want to become Americans. They don't just want to live in America and meanwhile fly Puerto Rican flags from their car or whatever. Like, a lot of these communities, if you spend time in them, you find out that they don't actually care about America. They just heard from their friend or relative that if you come to America you can make good money, so they came here.

See, it's not about race or nationality. That's what most liberals fail to understand. I don't care if Mexicans come to America and become Americans. I care if Mexicans come to America and are Mexicans. If that's the case, stay in Mexico. You love it there, you love that country, then don't come here just because you can get stuff from us. I tend to find that you can tell who wants to be American by where they live. If you have a bunch of Mexicans and they all live in one hyper-concentrated area and in that area it's like Mexico where everyone is Mexican and they all speak Spanish and you literally can't function if you speak English only, then they don't want to be Americans. They just live in America, but they're so uncomfortable in this country that they have to create a colony unit, like they were invading Mars or something.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

There you have it. Leave it to Beaverland has gone spicey, like it or not.

Every other group that has come to the United States has ASSIMILATED to our way of life. Immigrants understand that they are here to LEARN not TEACH. The goal is to embrace newcomers with our lifestyle, not change our ways for the old world of immigrants.

Erm...have you ever been to an ethnic neighborhood? Like...ANY ethic neighborhood? There's a reason they're generally called LITTLE (Insert country here), they have their own systems built for the immigrants who live there. It's almost like a little micro society inside the larger area.

Demanding immigrants abandon their own culture in favor of yours (and no one has yet been able to explain what exactly "American" culture is) is pretty ethocentric.

It is time to use our education system to force ASSIMILATION, especially on our southern border. 160 years ago the United States won the Mexican American War. We forgave Mexico's debts, and paid $18,000,000 for the borders as they now stand. 160 years is more time than we have given anyone else to ASSIMILATE. My family came from Germany and ASSIMILATED in a generation in 1880s. It can easily be done

Good for your family. Mine came here in the 1970's, we still have not. Valuing the culture you came from is not the same as refusing to assimilate.

Assimilation is also not any easier when the culture you find yourself in absolutely hates you. A lot of these ethnic neighborhoods sprung up because the immigrants, at one point, found themselves on the recieving end of a great deal of hatred from whoever was already here. They got around that by forming their own neighborhoods for protection and so they could live with people they felt comfortable with and not have to worry as much about being attacked by people already living there.

EVERY single ethnic group that has ever moved to the US has done this, EVERY single one, I dont care where they're from. Incidentally, that was also the genesis for many of America's street gangs. The first street gangs in American history were actually Irish

Like it or not Mexicans signed on the dotted line. We can begin by making English the national language and banning the garbage Spanish we hear on American streets. We can issue $50 parking type tickets for using the Spanish language, (except for actual travelers from Spain). Enough is enough. These invaders have diluted our culture.

So what is our culture?

This is La Raza's plan.
A professor at the University of New Mexico predicts this map will be reality by 2080.
Funny huh?

Not particularly.

Are you laughing now?

Yeah, but not at what you're thinking.

I'm a racist huh?

I would say more ethnocentric and xenophobic.

Check this out.

Ok...and? Honestly, who fucking cares? Do you know how many posters I've seen like that from the White Nationalist movement? Or the Christian Identity movement? There is always some group of idiots out there somewhere advocating someone else be killed. So, just like Alex Jones, we pat them on the head, consider it a sign of how awesome the first amendment is, and give them a coloring book they can play with in the corner.

Why is it that people fall for the lie of being against criminal immigrants they are racist? Are we such a weak mind people?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Why is it that people fall for the lie of being against criminal immigrants they are racist? Are we such a weak mind people?

Why is it that people keep trying to make this thread about illegal immigration? Are they afraid that their racism will be exposed if they're honest about it?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Why is it that people fall for the lie of being against criminal immigrants they are racist? Are we such a weak mind people?

Where did I claim racism?

Additionally, no one here was talking about undocumented immigrants...except you. The OP was complaining that Latino community wont "adopt American culture."

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Where did I claim racism?

Additionally, no one here was talking about undocumented immigrants...except you. The OP was complaining that Latino community wont "adopt American culture."

Was I not suppose to point out the obvious?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Was I not suppose to point out the obvious?

You weren't pointing out the obvious, you were pointing to the sidewalk when someone was talking about clouds.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

You weren't pointing out the obvious, you were pointing to the sidewalk when someone was talking about clouds.

sad. I guess speaking the truth about this thread is frowned on by the progressives.....

Originally Posted by thanatos144

sad. I guess speaking the truth about this thread is frowned on by the progressives.....

Have you read this thread? The OP said nothing about illegal immigration. It was about suppressing hispanic culture. Period. He then went on to talking about his desire for American hispanics to have less children. Where does that relate in any way to illegal immigration. If you want to discuss your hatred of spics like Latterbach is doing then man up and do it, otherwise, I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by turning it into a discussion on illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by C-B-M

There's a difference between "cultural expression" and not being part of America. There are a lot of people who act like they just live here, like this is their spatial location but that's it. That is what ticks people off and there are plenty (as you used the word) of immigrants these days -- generally illegal and more often than not from Mexico -- who act like that.

I think that most Americans act like that.

Originally Posted by soot

I think that most Americans act like that.

I doubt it. I didn't read all of the above posts, but for example Hoplite says that his family hasn't assimilated. I wonder what he means by that. For example, do they refuse to speak English? And if so -- if that's a deliberate choice done against "a culture that hates you," as he says -- then that contradicts Porras' view that people are just taking time to learn English and they're reeeeeaaallllly slow learners.

Originally Posted by Porras

Not a single one. Considering that Los Angeles (second largest city in America) only as 15,000,000 people total in the entire metro area, I assume no community in the United states has that many illegal immigrants in it. The fact that the number you picked is pretty close to the estimated illegal immigrant population of the entire nation, I'd say my assumption is pretty safe.

Do you acknowledge that there are about 12,000,000 illegal aliens and anchor babies of Hispanic decent in the the United States. Good. Then you are agreeing with me. No other group is invading the United States like illegal Mexicans. This is a national threat to the United States. So, you appear to be confirming information that I have already provided, DUH!

Originally Posted by Porras

I'm trying really hard not to invoke Godwin here, but I honestly can't see any other way to assess that portion of your post.

Invoke whatever you want. Your post is naive.

Originally Posted by Porras

I'm pretty sure you, I, and everyone else discussing this had very little to do with the building of this nation. I'm also a bit confused as to how you see people who work hard for crap pay as freeloaders.

Where did you get that from your crystal ball? I was an Eagle Scout, had my own business at age 20, volunteered many hours to the Kerry and Obama campaigns, and support the Democratic Party and other liberal groups with donations. Who the fuc* do you think you are? Wyoming is it? Right at the pinnacle of progress in the United States. :rolleyes: Dick Cheney's home State I believe. You are uninformed.