Thread: On Self-Deportation: Satire Becomes Reality

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

...I'm just going to self-deport myself out of my living room into my make-shift den in order to roll a joint...

Hmm....that might explain how you lost all those posts

Self deportation is simply a result of proper and effective enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem both for domestic economic reasons and for international human dignity reasons.

Proper and effective enforcement begins with government actually adhering to the laws which are in place. State officials who support, create or allow "sanctuary cities" need to be punished...severely. Employers who flaunt employment law need to be punished. Law enforcement officials who turn a blind eye to illegal immigration need to be punished.

If the laws are enforced and penalties are levied we will inevitably see a movement of illegal aliens out of this country....self deportation. If you combine this enforcement with a reasonable method for those who wish to work here to do so legally we will inevitably see a move toward legal immigration.

As far as Romney, specifically, on illegal immigration....I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. He vetoed a bill which would have provided in state tuition for illegals but he also refused to take action against 4 cities in Mass. that chose to be "sanctuary cities". Romney talks a lot but only does those things that are politically beneficial to him at any given time.

Originally Posted by lutherf

Hmm....that might explain how you lost all those posts

Self deportation is simply a result of proper and effective enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem both for domestic economic reasons and for international human dignity reasons.

Proper and effective enforcement begins with government actually adhering to the laws which are in place. State officials who support, create or allow "sanctuary cities" need to be punished...severely. Employers who flaunt employment law need to be punished. Law enforcement officials who turn a blind eye to illegal immigration need to be punished.

If the laws are enforced and penalties are levied we will inevitably see a movement of illegal aliens out of this country....self deportation. If you combine this enforcement with a reasonable method for those who wish to work here to do so legally we will inevitably see a move toward legal immigration.

As far as Romney, specifically, on illegal immigration....I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. He vetoed a bill which would have provided in state tuition for illegals but he also refused to take action against 4 cities in Mass. that chose to be "sanctuary cities". Romney talks a lot but only does those things that are politically beneficial to him at any given time.

Hrm, I had begun to wonder where my posts had self-deported themselves to...

But when he was talking about self-deportation, he wasn't talking about enforcing the laws that are on the books. I got that this line of thinking says that hopefully people will just do the right thing and go back to their countries of birth and wait in line like everyone else.

I think this administration has done a pretty good job at enforcing existing laws. Deportations are up.

As to individual states, it makes sense to me that they ought to crack down on those who employ illegals, but do they really do that great of a job of it or is it just something they say while they turn a blind eye to the fact that "job creators" tend to benefit from the employment of illegals? I mean "job creators" are the people throwing huge money at campaigns, are they not?

Meanwhile, you've got some employers that would be impossible to track. Or it would be very costly to hire a task force big enough to keep tabs on what every single small and big businessman is doing, right? How do you follow a Joe the Plumber type who picks a couple of guys up in the morning from somewhere in order to help him out? You'd have to have agents for all the hidden places as well as the street corners where they get picked up. How expensive to taxpayers would that be?

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Before I hash things over any further, I'm just going to self-deport myself out of my living room into my make-shift den in order to roll a joint...

Things are now very clear to me...

You can't track all employers all the time. It wouldn't be practical or even Constitutional but if you make compliance relatively simple and penalties for non-compliance quite harsh you will get general compliance.

It's not that difficult. The cops stop someone for speeding and they are found to be here illegally. You run whatever information you find through Social Security and you come up with an employer. You check with the employer and if they exercised due diligence in hiring then no problem. If they didn't then they pay the price.

You find a good reason to revisit Plyler and zap that abomination too.

Too hilarious. I love it when satire goes right over the heads of the people which it was aimed.

With Daniel D. Portado pledging his support for Romney, how can he possibly lose?

Like everybody else in California, we were sick of hearing about the anti-immigrant hysteria... People were losing their minds... Clerks were asking dark-skinned Mexican people for IDs before they could buy a plzza.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Things are now very clear to me...

Spoken like a true pothead! Congrats.

Now tell me, how much would it cost taxpayers to have a force strong enough and populated enough to police every single self-employed person in America in order to make sure they don't have illegals working for them?

And as the government enforcer, would you say that employers would get a warning that you're going to visit with them or will you simply use the Patriot Act to spy on them legally in order to make sure they aren't hiring any illegals?

I just wanna know what the plan would mean.

Originally Posted by lutherf

Self deportation is simply a result of proper and effective enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

I agree with your post but suspect this part will never occur. Even if there is a time in the future in which Republicans have total control of Congress again with a Republican President, odds are there will not be "proper and effective" enforcement of our existing laws. It will all end up in the courts as we have gone way too far off of enforcement for way too long to all of a sudden change course. Unfortunately, at this stage it will take some act to serve as clean up for the mess this subject is these days.

Oh, wow, 9800 odd (and I mean that odd honestly, though in nice way). Do you get a trophy depicting a clock being struck with a hammer or your choice of whatever constructive thing you could've been doing with that much time having a stake driven through it?...(just kidding, sorta, I spend lot of time here too, but 10,000 posts is awesome)

As far as self-deportation it strikes me as being like something I said here some time ago...as our economy continues to collapse we'll see the immigration problem evaporate....put Repubicans in any more power and I predict Mexico will have concerns about illegal Americans fleeing south. That seems to be the conservatives plan, really, to make us like the late Soviet Union, a bloated and largely obsolescent, (therefore mostly useless with exceptions) military supported on the backs of a third world infrastructure, economy and populace. We'll all be working 3 jobs and drivning in decades old cars when not taking the bicycle but at least we won't have to see furriners (not even at the doctor's office, 'cause we won't be able to afford medical care)

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I agree with your post but suspect this part will never occur. Even if there is a time in the future in which Republicans have total control of Congress again with a Republican President, odds are there will not be "proper and effective" enforcement of our existing laws. It will all end up in the courts as we have gone way too far off of enforcement for way too long to all of a sudden change course. Unfortunately, at this stage it will take some act to serve as clean up for the mess this subject is these days.

An act such as allowing the individual states to pick up the slack that the federal government is unable or unwilling to do? Something like Arizona's SB1070?

It can be done and it will be done if the federal government simply sticks to doing its job and not trying to be all things to all people.

I can only hope the far-right continues to discriminate against American Hispanics in the border states to try to get them to "self-deport" to a foreign country. It will help assure we don't get another reactionary like Reagan or GWB as president.

We apparently had a horde self deport when the construction crashed here. No longer is my local mini mart filled with illegals each early morning buying drinks.

That romney would use "self deport" has nothing to do with the joke as shown by that crazy lady-maddow. Self deportation is no joke, yet some on the left color it as such.

You take away the carrot, and many will deport themselves. Kinda like you put a fence around your apple orchard to keep the deer from eating your apples. No access to apples, no deer eating your fruit. They go back to the woods from whence they came.

Some on the left seem to care more for illegal aliens than their own working poor. I hate to break the news to ya, but we cannot continue to allow anyone who wants to come here to do so in a non controlled fashion. Folks we cannot afford to be the world's welfare state, it is hard enough to care for our own citizens. Sometimes as hard as it might be, we have to make choices based upon reason.

Originally Posted by Formaldehyde

I can only hope the far-right continues to discriminate against American Hispanics in the border states to try to get them to "self-deport" to a foreign country. It will help assure we don't get another reactionary like Reagan or GWB as president.

I never head a far right person say that hispanics that are citizens here should deport themselves. Not at least anyone that wasn't the village idiot.

Originally Posted by lutherf

An act such as allowing the individual states to pick up the slack that the federal government is unable or unwilling to do? Something like Arizona's SB1070?

I did not say that, but I did suspect that would be your response.

Originally Posted by lutherf

It can be done and it will be done if the federal government simply sticks to doing its job and not trying to be all things to all people.

Perhaps. But, that will not happen so long as we have one political party on the hill looking for ways to keep cheap labor while also trying to appeal to the "get the hell out" group, with another party looking to appeal to potential new voters by deciding which laws are ok to follow and which we should politically ignore. It is another example of when political effort trumps existing law for so long that nether side will let go.