Thread: Rubio's immigration push

Evidently, the GOP is now behind it's own version of the Dream Act.

Simply amazing.

Originally Posted by goober

There is no "illegal" vote to speak of.
There is a legal hispanic vote, and it's the fastest growing voting demographic.

When you say "we don't want any scumbag Mexicans in this country, we'll build a fence to keep out, shoot em if they try to climb it" you alienate the people who are American citizens of Mexican descent, and hispanics in general.
Rubio is reaching out, trying to bring the Hispanic vote to the GOP, by repairing the damage that has been done by appeals to anti-hispanic racism that the GOP has used in the past.

Rubio is only 'reaching out' because he was thick into the same stuff, including opposing the DREAM Act with lectures about following the law and zero tolerance, etc....except for Cubans like himself, that is, where they get free green cards for gatecrashing, which he supports as a 'special exception.' If you follow Spanish language television and the Latino community, he's reviled as a 'coconut' and a gusano (worm) and they're really angry at those positions he took to get elected. Polling already shows so far he adds no bounce if selected as a VP with Hispanics given the damage he's done to himself in that area.

Originally Posted by ArmyCowboy

Evidently, the GOP is now behind it's own version of the Dream Act.

Simply amazing.

It's no secret that he has an interest, as does Romney as he got caught admitting the other day, to flip flop away from the conservatives now that they've gotten their votes in order to acquire other votes in the general election if made a VP candidate and for his own use as a Senator now that he's elected.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

I don't really think it's a red herring. It's pretty common knowledge that the Dems won't approve of anything the Reps put up, nor will the Reps approve of anything the Dems put up. Sad, but that's the Gov. we have now.

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The question is, will the Reps get behind Rubio's plan after all the talk about closing the border and building fences and would they get behind Rubio as VP if he's Romney's pick?

The Dems might just do it of Rubio proposes such a bill because they also have to be mindful that blocking a bill that at least gets DREAM Act kids legal can come at a cost too. Sure these particular American raised people don't want to be deemed permanent second class people here, but being illegal is far worse. IMO, it's probably wise for the Dems not to screw around here too much and accept that offer and just remind Hispanics about how they were used as fodder and that such a current measure is an election year pander rather than sincere concern about their welfare, and that they'll work to get them what the Dems proposed. If legalised, sometime down the road they can probably lobby for a change where they could become citizens provided they prove themselves worthy of it. My guess as time passes with legal presence and having families, etc, that objections to them in particular will wane as the focus will be on keeping future people in a legal pathway and focusing on any new illegals so they don't vest themselves here over time like the DREAM Act kids did.

Originally Posted by soot

Bullshit.

In order to end illegal immigration the government needs to come down on business owners who employ illegal labor in a draconian fashion.

It needs to be zero tolerance, one strike you're out and it needs to apply to American citizens.

You got caught once employing one illegal alien?

Okay, you lose your business and go to federal prison for 10 years where you get raped in the ass by murderers and gang bangers.

Problem solved.

Overnight.

It'll be like the fucking Trail of Tears with Mexicans heading back south.

But the Republicans are too beholden to their special interests to actually enact effective anti-illegal immigration legislature.

So they fuck around and fuck around with bullshit bills proposing building 3000 MILES of fence along a border that can easily be crossed by water or through tunnels.

Or you get something like the Texas law that makes hiring illegals fine if you want them to work in your home.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

The Dems might just do it of Rubio proposes such a bill because they also have to be mindful that blocking a bill that at least gets DREAM Act kids legal can come at a cost too. Sure these particular American raised people don't want to be deemed permanent second class people here, but being illegal is far worse. IMO, it's probably wise for the Dems not to screw around here too much and accept that offer and just remind Hispanics about how they were used as fodder and that such a current measure is an election year pander rather than sincere concern about their welfare, and that they'll work to get them what the Dems proposed. If legalised, sometime down the road they can probably lobby for a change where they could become citizens provided they prove themselves worthy of it. My guess as time passes with legal presence and having families, etc, that objections to them in particular will wane as the focus will be on keeping future people in a legal pathway and focusing on any new illegals so they don't vest themselves here over time like the DREAM Act kids did.

Exactly, one step at a time, get the DREAM act in place, and you'll have all these hard working legal aliens who sound American and then when the inherent unfairness of blocking their path to citizenship becomes unpalatable, the path gets unblocked, and the Democrats lock in the fastest growing voting block in the US.

Originally Posted by goober

Exactly, one step at a time, get the DREAM act in place, and you'll have all these hard working legal aliens who sound American and then when the inherent unfairness of blocking their path to citizenship becomes unpalatable, the path gets unblocked, and the Democrats lock in the fastest growing voting block in the US.

A perfect time for Obama to act like the dictator he is accused of acting like and simply sign an Executive Order to make it so.

And when he doesn't do so, what then?
Is he still mein fuhrer?

Originally Posted by goober

Or you get something like the Texas law that makes hiring illegals fine if you want them to work in your home.

Agreed, Texas came up with one of the most demeaning and absurd "solutions" here. Basically, the idea was it is ok to hire illegals (almost like an exemption) so long as they cut the grass, clean the house, keep up with the kids, and cook meals.

So I'm mongrel ... German, English, Welsh, Scottish, French, Spanish, Indian, ... and who knows what else ... those are what I know of. Special considerations for an influx of another 20 million illegal Europeans just because of my heritage ... hardly seems justified. But hey you could secure some future votes from Euro stock.

Why don't we just find out everyone's heritage and allow 20 million each from the old country.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Agreed, Texas came up with one of the most demeaning and absurd "solutions" here. Basically, the idea was it is ok to hire illegals (almost like an exemption) so long as they cut the grass, clean the house, keep up with the kids, and cook meals.

Are you advocating slavery?
You must be a Clinton/Bush/Obama Conservative.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Are you advocating slavery?
You must be a Clinton/Bush/Obama Conservative.

Explain how I am advocating slavery. Did you bother to read the post you quoted?