Thread: Rubio's immigration push

I doubt Democrats will go for it, they will want those votes that Rubio's bill removes as well as the "path to citizenship" being off the table. The GOP knows that vote leans Democratic and odds are all of them will step up to the mic reminding whoever will listen that it is a GOP ploy to legislatively remove this group from being able to vote. This, if it goes as planned, will backfire for the GOP.

This is a red herring. No Democrat will allow any form of immigration to be reformed cause it takes away to big of a voting block for them.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

This is a red herring. No Democrat will allow any form of immigration to be reformed cause it takes away to big of a voting block for them.

I don't really think it's a red herring. It's pretty common knowledge that the Dems won't approve of anything the Reps put up, nor will the Reps approve of anything the Dems put up. Sad, but that's the Gov. we have now.

The Dem plan has a path to citizenship if they go to school or join the Military.

The Rep plan has visas with Gov. ID's

Neither plan IMO is good

The question is, will the Reps get behind Rubio's plan after all the talk about closing the border and building fences and would they get behind Rubio as VP if he's Romney's pick?

Originally Posted by wooyarn

I don't really think it's a red herring. It's pretty common knowledge that the Dems won't approve of anything the Reps put up, nor will the Reps approve of anything the Dems put up. Sad, but that's the Gov. we have now.

The Dem plan has a path to citizenship if they go to school or join the Military.

The Rep plan has visas with Gov. ID's

Neither plan IMO is good

The question is, will the Reps get behind Rubio's plan after all the talk about closing the border and building fences and would they get behind Rubio as VP if he's Romney's pick?

Oh bullshit. If what you say is true then we wouldn't have had a debt ceiling raise.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Oh bullshit. If what you say is true then we wouldn't have had a debt ceiling raise.

What the hell does that have to do with the topic?
If you are unable to discuss the topic in an intelligent manner then please take your one liners elsewhere.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

What the hell does that have to do with the topic?
If you are unable to discuss the topic in an intelligent manner then please take your one liners elsewhere.

It has to do with you saying republican snub everything democrats put forward.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

It has to do with you saying republican snub everything democrats put forward.

Grow up thanatos, the topic is Rubio's immigration push a potential lift for GOP not who snubs who. If you have something intelligent to say about the thread topic then please do so. If you want to talk about who snubs who then please start another thread about it.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

Grow up thanatos, the topic is Rubio's immigration push a potential lift for GOP not who snubs who. If you have something intelligent to say about the thread topic then please do so. If you want to talk about who snubs who then please start another thread about it.

LMAO Maybe you need to read your own posts. I stated my opinion about how this bill will not go anywhere and you lashed out with mindless rhetoric and I corrected it. I would say maybe you need to grow up more than I. Did you expect some of us will denounce the bill? As immigration reform bills go it is better than most.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

LMAO Maybe you need to read your own posts. I stated my opinion about how this bill will not go anywhere and you lashed out with mindless rhetoric and I corrected it. I would say maybe you need to grow up more than I. Did you expect some of us will denounce the bill? As immigration reform bills go it is better than most.

expand on that some. What part do you feel is better.

The Dems dream act has a path to citizenship if they do certain things. That just boils down to amnesty,which IMO is not the way it should be done.

The Rubio plan will give work visa's and a DL, that sounds like amnesty with out citizenship. Which again IMO is not the way it should be done.

So why is Rubio's better then the dream act?

Originally Posted by wooyarn

All are aware of the need to close the border, build the fence and get all the illegal immigrants out of the country.

Bullshit.

In order to end illegal immigration the government needs to come down on business owners who employ illegal labor in a draconian fashion.

It needs to be zero tolerance, one strike you're out and it needs to apply to American citizens.

You got caught once employing one illegal alien?

Okay, you lose your business and go to federal prison for 10 years where you get raped in the ass by murderers and gang bangers.

Problem solved.

Overnight.

It'll be like the fucking Trail of Tears with Mexicans heading back south.

But the Republicans are too beholden to their special interests to actually enact effective anti-illegal immigration legislature.

So they fuck around and fuck around with bullshit bills proposing building 3000 MILES of fence along a border that can easily be crossed by water or through tunnels.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

expand on that some. What part do you feel is better.

The Dems dream act has a path to citizenship if they do certain things. That just boils down to amnesty,which IMO is not the way it should be done.

The Rubio plan will give work visa's and a DL, that sounds like amnesty with out citizenship. Which again IMO is not the way it should be done.

So why is Rubio's better then the dream act?

Oh You mean do I like the amnesty parts? No. I do think it holds stricter penalties for businesses that use illegal though.

Originally Posted by soot

Bullshit.

In order to end illegal immigration the government needs to come down on business owners who employ illegal labor in a draconian fashion.

It needs to be zero tolerance, one strike you're out and it needs to apply to American citizens.

You got caught once employing one illegal alien?

Okay, you lose your business and go to federal prison for 10 years where you get raped in the ass by murderers and gang bangers.

Problem solved.

Overnight.

It'll be like the fucking Trail of Tears with Mexicans heading back south.

But the Republicans are too beholden to their special interests to actually enact effective anti-illegal immigration legislature.

So they fuck around and fuck around with bullshit bills proposing building 3000 MILES of fence along a border that can easily be crossed by water or through tunnels.

I can agree with much of what you said and have said about the same thing in the past. Start with Tyson and the other meat packing plants, move on to the big ArgaFarms etc...

The fence is a waste of time and money and won't stop anything.

However to be fair, the Dems aren't exactly falling over themselves to stop it either.

I just thought some of our right leaning folks could explain what the difference in the two plans were and if and why they would support Rubio's plan over the Dems plan.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Oh You mean do I like the amnesty parts? No. I do think it holds stricter penalties for businesses that use illegal though.

What penalties? Under the Rubio plan there would be no illegals, they would be given work visa's and DL's

I didn't see any penalties, I may have missed it. Could you please show me the part that deals with penalties?