Thread: Remember this the next time the Mexican government starts preaching

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Remember Mexican President Calderon's comments on the Arizona Immigration Law?



Check this out:



The article goes on to describe widespread, systematic discrimination and even violence against immigrants.

So, the next time Calderon climbs up on his high horse to lecture us about not taking care of his citizens properly when they sneak into our country, remember what happens in his country.

Mexico has always been a major hypocrite on immigration issues.

Hell, since I know you don't follow soccer, I was reminded of this issue that bugs me amongst many insofar as that hypocrisy concerning a very popular Mexican team, Chivas (Club Deportivo Guadalajara):

C.D. Guadalajara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This concerns US born people of Mexican parentage or descent who have or currently do play for them:

SALGADO LEAVES CHIVAS OVER US U-20 TEAM
BRIAN SCIARETTA - Thursday, July 8, 2010

With the US U20 national team winding down camp in San Jose, one of the players who has most helped his cause moving forward in the current cycle is forward Omar Salgado.

Salgado's path to the joining the US U20 team is one that has required great sacrifice. Salgado has been playing within the Chivas de Guadalajara system in Mexico, which is well regarded for its policy of only employing players eligible for the Mexican national team.

When he was invited by US U20 head coach Thomas Rongen to take part in a camp for the US, it would put him directly at odds with the policy of his club. Being unable to play for both the US and for Chivas, Salgado accepted the call from the US and has permanently left Chivas. He now wants to return to the US to play.

"There was a conflict with [Chivas]," Salgado told YA. "Unfortunately we had to discuss that and I am now looking to come back to the US in MLS. I am looking for the move right now for this coming season."

With his recent departure from Chivas, Salgado has yet to talk to any US teams but his father has been helping him in this matter.

"Right now I haven't been in talks with any team personally," he said of his club status. "But my father has been in touch with some of them. He's trying to work it out."

For Salgado, his choice to represent the United States marks a change in international plans. He had been taking part in Mexican U20 camps but he insists the US has always been in top choice with Chivas previously acting as a barrier to US participation.

"I wanted to come to the US but because of Chivas, I wasn't able to," Salgado discussed. "I decided I was going to tell them anyway that I was going to come over here."

. . .

.:: Yanks Abroad ::.

Chivas' Ponce could have US-Mexico choice

SAN DIEGO – For years, the left-back position has been a point of contention for US National Team fans, with a number of candidates failing to lock down the vital position.

But just south of the border, a young left back is excelling at the highest levels of Latin American soccer.

Miguel Ángel Ponce, a 21-year-old native of Sacramento, Calif., has shone in his rookie year for Chivas de Guadalajara, starting in five of six of the club’s Apertura matches as well as both legs of the Copa Libertadores final.

. . .

Ponce follows in the footsteps of Chivas USA’s Jesus Padilla, a striker whose American lineage led to great controversy for a club that had historically that accepted only Mexican citizens.

The question over Padilla’s American birth became so heated that Chivas owner Jorge Vergara had to specify that foreign-born players born to Mexican parents can feature for Guadalajara. While foreign-born players are allowed on the squad, Guadalajara maintain a long-standing rule that their players can only be Mexican National Teamers.

This rule complicates Ponce’s potential choice of national teams greatly. Should the 21-year-old decide to represent the United States, he would immediately lose his spot at Chivas, the club he has supported his entire life. For Ponce to turn his back on Guadalajara would require a lot of thought on the young man’s part.

“If the US is interested, then I haven’t noticed," Ponce said, "but Chivas de Guadalajara is a Mexican team and Mexicans have to play there. If I was to play for the US, then I can’t play for Chivas, so if they call me, then I would need to really think about what to do.”

. . .

Chivas' Ponce could have US-Mexico choice | MLSsoccer.com

This policy of this popular Mexican club--that you must be Mexican citizen to play--always pissed me off. As you can see, they had to scrap over whether or not US born players of Mexican blood could play for them, and decided they would allow it so long as they were 1) dual citizens with Mexico via descent, and 2) did not choose to play international soccer for the US rather than Mexico. In short, if you want to keep your job and you are a US citizen with Mexican citizenship, you have to play for the Mexican national team. Play for the US, and you're fired immediately. If you're not a Mexican citizen, you don't even get the chance at a job.

And yet, on the flip side, Chivas has an MLS subsidiary club in the US, our own major league:

C.D. Chivas USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chivas USA, of course, has to follow our laws about non-discriminatory hiring practices so it's made up of a myriad of USCs and lawfully admitted non-US players.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Where did you get prejudice in that? I was simply pointing out that while we are, indeed, a nation of immigrants, to ignore the trends in immigration (who was coming, why they were coming, etc....) is folly. I am not saying European immigration is good and non-European immigration is bad.

OIC, well, if you can prove that all new immigrants are coming for bad reasons....

Originally Posted by John Drake

I don't think we should let in people who are wanted criminals, nor with communicable diseases, no. Otherwise fairly uncontrolled immigration is how we got where we are today. I don't see why it shouldn't continue.

Fortunately, certain unknown groups of Cro-Magnons went beyond the thinking you seem to think best about 10,000 years ago, or we would still be living in caves.

I think you underestimate mankind's ability to deal with change while overstating our capacity for making difficulties. It's true that we have an almost unbroken history of war and conflict but nothing happens without exceptions and we are still making more and more progress to better lives for everyone in a steady fashion overall, as we have throughout all of history. Even the so called "Dark Ages" were actually a time of fairly rapid technical progress and show an overall increase in the number of people and our ability to live well. Humanity can only fail if it lacks faith in itself, for what else does it have?

You "don't see why it shouldn't continue", because, to put it bluntly, you aren't that bright.

The difference between a budding nation with vast amounts of untapped natural resources, and our current established nation of dwindling natural resources, are a world apart.

You just can't understand the differences.

Originally Posted by smurf

You "don't see why it shouldn't continue", because, to put it bluntly, you aren't that bright.

The difference between a budding nation with vast amounts of untapped natural resources, and our current established nation of dwindling natural resources, are a world apart.

You just can't understand the differences.

Yep, it's not like we got 160 acres to give away for anyone who will settle it, build a cabin on it and farm it for 5 years as we did when we settled this nation. Immigration policy, if intelligent will fashion itself to the times. Otherwise you create expensive problems for the nation that at times such as these, we cannot afford.

This illegal immigration is comparable to me with a family who I am barely supporting, to throw open my doors and invite all of the homeless in, to feed and care for. When it's seen on the micro level it should wake folks up, but it doesn't always do that. Which is puzzling, isn't it? It makes you think someone is batting away imaginary bats as they support not controlling imigration in the 21st century.

I say if you are not throwing open our doors to support illegals on your dime, you should not expect others to do it for you. That seems real silly.

Originally Posted by John Drake

OIC, well, if you can prove that all new immigrants are coming for bad reasons....

I think their reasons are good. I am starting to suspect, though, that we are seeing the fading of the ideals that made this country great. Immigration I think plays a much bigger role in that than people are willing to believe.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

I think their reasons are good. I am starting to suspect, though, that we are seeing the fading of the ideals that made this country great. Immigration I think plays a much bigger role in that than people are willing to believe.

Fading?

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Fading?

Yes, fading

Slightly off topic, but----------->would the democrats consistently carry California if we had not have had amnesty umteen times, and would the administration be fighting so hard to stop voter ID laws if voter fraud was not perpertrated by illegal aliens who vote in the majority for democrats?

My take on voter fraud is this---------->I can agree to disagree with liberals and have my vote cancelled out by one of them doing their civic duty and voting also, but the thought that either mine, or the liberals vote is to be cancelled out by someone who does not have the right to vote, and worse is here illegally, is very disgraceful for this country indeed!

The party who supports this is not running for office, they are almost doing a coup de tat!

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

I think their reasons are good. I am starting to suspect, though, that we are seeing the fading of the ideals that made this country great. Immigration I think plays a much bigger role in that than people are willing to believe.

Why do you "suspect" this?