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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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Old 05-02-2006
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It seems that it is a policy of the French nation and people to always be uniquely French.

And that French unique-ness seems to have manifested itself beyond glorifying basic French culture.

On an international stage at least, The French seem to not only define themselves by what the French do, but by what Americans do not do.

There seems to be an obvious rivalry among the French when it comes to America.

Of course I always remember Americans romanticizing the French up until a few years ago.

But the French have been dissing on the USA for decades. You know, what we call Anti-Americanism.
Typical. If someone dares to criticize the glorious US of A they are called anti-american. Childish to the max....and obviously an attitude worth criticizing.
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Well, shit! If Newsmax says it, it must be true!

The other link is an excerpt from a book, not a news story.
1. If you can't dispute the facts, attack the messenger.
2. It's a historical book, not a novel.
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

Come on. Newsmax is not a reliable news source. I wouldn't use the Nation as a news source and try to pass it off here. Why should you be able to use Newsmax? If the source of the information is suspect, why would I focus on the info instead of the source?

So you're OK if I cite Al Franken or Michal Moore books? They're categorized as nonfiction as well.
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Typical. If someone dares to criticize the glorious US of A they are called anti-american. Childish to the max....and obviously an attitude worth criticizing.
You could have a valid point if someone made a valid criticism and they were written off as Anti-american.

But that is not the case here.

The topic is specifically about Anti-Americanism.

I am suggesting that the French, more so than other societies, indulge themselves in bashing Americans. I am arguing that American bashing is a national past time in France.



So please allow me to clarify your statements.

People are not daring to criticize the USA. There are no ramifications or prohibitions.

In fact, many people, yourself included, are having a field day doing it.

And your usual postings are beyond criticism. They are just insulting, a bit self-centered and kind of stupid; so I have hard time seeing your criticisms as valid.

I can recognize when someone is trying to offer constructive criticism and when someone is just bashing.



I also can see that my earlier psycho-analysis of your insecure ego really hit home and now you seek me out, trying to retalliate. Really who is being childish?
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I am suggesting that the French, more so than other societies, indulge themselves in bashing Americans. I am arguing that American bashing is a national past time in France.
So you are. What makes you think that?
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So you are. What makes you think that?
Are you saying that I am wrong, or do you just want me to explain?


I lived in Paris for 6 months back in 98. Read Le monde regulary. Walked the streets, sat in Cafes. Interacted with the locals.

It's just a feeling I got, the general tone.

It's a feeling many Americans have, after returning from France.



And I didn't get that feeling, when I visited other nations in Europe.


But a fellow American expat explained it to me.

The French are just different, more emphatic than Americans or most other Europeans.

They will just as easily show their approval and fondness over little things as they show their distaste for others.

If a Frenchman likes what you are doing, he will tell you. If he dislikes what you are doing, he will tell you.

I can admit that sometimes that is more refreshing than those of us who usually have "no comment".


And we also acknowledged that perhaps we are basing our opinions of the French only by Parisians. And Parisians like New Yorkers and many Urban dwellers, are not usually known for their patience and friendliness.
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Come on. Newsmax is not a reliable news source. I wouldn't use the Nation as a news source and try to pass it off here. Why should you be able to use Newsmax? If the source of the information is suspect, why would I focus on the info instead of the source?

So you're OK if I cite Al Franken or Michal Moore books? They're categorized as nonfiction as well.
Regarding Newsmax (and the Washington Times, wo's reporter wrote the book), they may be biased, but they haven't been wrong yet. Are you still disputing the accuracy of their report?

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The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
http://www.wlhoward.com/id557.htm

To compare Newsmax to Al Franken is truly remarkable.
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1. So you are denying that French jets and illegal technology was found in the Iraq desert. Is that your position?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...3000-1796r.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/154815.shtml
Yeah, it is. There's nothing in there that even suggests that France helped rearm Saddam Hussein after GW1. All this highly partisan author could come up with is a frigging box of bomb fuzes and some nightsights...Get real. If France had helped rearm Saddam we'd have sold him a few hundred Mistral MANPADS, or some Milan 3. You'd have noticed, for sure.

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With this evidence, your second issue is..
2. ...moot.
Whatever.
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Yeah, it is. There's nothing in there that even suggests that France helped rearm Saddam Hussein after GW1. All this highly partisan author could come up with is a frigging box of bomb fuzes and some nightsights...Get real. If France had helped rearm Saddam we'd have sold him a few hundred Mistral MANPADS, or some Milan 3. You'd have noticed, for sure.



Whatever.
Look, I realize that it sucks to lose an argument, especially on that involves the integrity of your Country, but you are losing credibility here by not admitting that you are wrong.

1. The second website is a compilation of US Army intelligence information that can be made public. In this case, the information was made public because NewsMax obtained photographs of the operations. The intelligence report is hardly a “partisan” reference. Again I ask you, are you denying that this information is accurate?
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The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices. U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons.
The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.
The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
3. It is obvious that France has been caught “with its pants down”, here, and that the reason that they stonewalled at the UN for involvement in GW2 was because France, along with Russia and Germany, were selling sophisticated weapon systems to Saddam Hussein in direct violation of the ban imposed after GW1.
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Typical. If someone dares to criticize the glorious US of A they are called anti-american. Childish to the max....and obviously an attitude worth criticizing.
My point exactly! Americans just cant seperate things, its always the in for a penny, in for a pound shit.
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My point exactly! Americans just cant seperate things, its always the in for a penny, in for a pound shit.

Um, hi. I'm an American. I don't do this.

Would this be indicative of all Dane's inability to separate things?
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Um, hi. I'm an American. I don't do this.

Would this be indicative of all Dane's inability to separate things?
I obviously meant basically, not ultimately.
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My point exactly! Americans just cant seperate things, its always the in for a penny, in for a pound shit.

Well if your comments have good intentions, then your communication methods need major improvement.

You don't offer constructive criticisms, you offer negative generalizations(see above) based on a limited, misunderstanding of the subject. And you do it in a mean spirited tone.(see above)



That's the Anti-Americanism verging on racism that this topic is about.
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Well if your comments have good intentions, then your communication methods need major improvement.

You don't offer constructive criticisms, you offer negative generalizations(see above) based on a limited, misunderstanding of the subject. And you do it in a mean spirited tone.(see above)



That's the Anti-Americanism verging on racism that this topic is about.
I post a lot of constructive criticism as well and I never loose my temper. My socalled generalizations are not ultimately, but basically.
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Look, I realize that it sucks to lose an argument, especially on that involves the integrity of your Country, but you are losing credibility here by not admitting that you are wrong.
Of course not. You haven't produced anything that might pass for evidence.

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1. The second website is a compilation of US Army intelligence information that can be made public. In this case, the information was made public because NewsMax obtained photographs of the operations. The intelligence report is hardly a “partisan” reference. Again I ask you, are you denying that this information is accurate?
Of course I do. For the simple reason that I have only Newsmax word for it. Further, this questionable piece mentions that only one jet with "french electronics" was recovered (could have been a CD player, or an air ionizer...). That is, in fact, conclusive evidence that the french government was NOT involved, else there would have been more. We don't sell retail.

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3. It is obvious that France has been caught “with its pants down”, here, and that the reason that they stonewalled at the UN for involvement in GW2 was because France, along with Russia and Germany, were selling sophisticated weapon systems to Saddam Hussein in direct violation of the ban imposed after GW1.
Only in your dreams, glockmail. Which is why the US administration has been very careful not to issue any official statements on this matter, and contents itself with rumors and malicious propaganda. Well, it only works on the simpleminded, so who cares?
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