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As I recall, the French denied Germany was a problem until after they were rolling through Paris. It seems that not much has changed.
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As I recall, the French denied Germany was a problem until after they were rolling through Paris. It seems that not much has changed.
Your attempt at humour is as weak as your knowledge of history. Btw, what were our ally the U.S. doing while the Germans were "rolling through Paris"? Selling IBM machines to the Nazis for their concentration camps. Business is business, right?
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Your attempt at humour is as weak as your knowledge of history. Btw, what were our ally the U.S. doing while the Germans were "rolling through Paris"? Selling IBM machines to the Nazis for their concentration camps. Business is business, right?
Don't you think you're getting a little carried away with that?
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As I recall, the French denied Germany was a problem until after they were rolling through Paris. It seems that not much has changed.
The French definitely did NOT deny that Germany was a problem. They were very aware all through the 1930s. Have you ever heard of the Maginot Line?
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No apology needed.
1. The French fought the colonies decades before 1776 in what is upper PA and NY, using Indians as allies and terrorists, killing and raping women, scalping children. Truly awful stuff. The French helped the US during our war of Independence, only because they hated the Brits more than us.
2. “Unilateral” is a term described by the French and their liberal US press co-conspirators to describe actions by the US, British and allies against Iran. The term is incorrect at face value, misleading at best, and not at all what Mac was referring to.


1. And you helped the French in ww1 and ww2 just out of the goodness in your heart? Or maybe there was some issue with war debts and possibly losing good markets, or just plain question of who gets to be top dog after the war.

2. But MacNamara was still talking about Vietnam, it doesn't make the term incorrect ,even though it can be said that you didn't go to Iraq all by yourself.
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Don't you think you're getting a little carried away with that?
Definitely. I don't like being pushed around.
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1. And you helped the French in ww1 and ww2 just out of the goodness in your heart? Or maybe there was some issue with war debts and possibly losing good markets, or just plain question of who gets to be top dog after the war.

2. But MacNamara was still talking about Vietnam, it doesn't make the term incorrect ,even though it can be said that you didn't go to Iraq all by yourself.
The intentions of the US in coming to the aid of France and Britain in 1917 were largely determined by outrage over the Lusitania, growing opposition to German aggression, the Zimmerman telegram and strong cultural and historical ties to England. We did not have to fight. I understand that you were frustrated with Glockmail, but there is no need to present that sort of negative perspective on US war aims in 1917.

Regarding the economy, the US was doing very well BEFORE entry into the war, so markets were not an issue.
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The question is should one be ingrateful for the help one recieved just because one can claim that the helper had other motives? Yea abit frustrated, I could also have said that Wilson did have very good plans for the period after the war but the French leaders were too interested in getting reparations and trying to make sure Germany wouldn't pose a threat anymore.
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Your attempt at humour is as weak as your knowledge of history. Btw, what were our ally the U.S. doing while the Germans were "rolling through Paris"? Selling IBM machines to the Nazis for their concentration camps. Business is business, right?
You got blasted before from your sorry resentment that we were not there from the get-go to save your sorry asses from getting overrun. I see a pattern here, one that is uniquely, unfortunately, well, French.
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The French definitely did NOT deny that Germany was a problem. They were very aware all through the 1930s. Have you ever heard of the Maginot Line?
As I recall, it was pretty much an "imaginary" line with respect to modern mechanized warfare, something which the French were blind to. When the French are overrun by Muslims in about 10-20 years, what will be their excuse then?
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You got blasted before from your sorry resentment that we were not there from the get-go to save your sorry asses from getting overrun. I see a pattern here, one that is uniquely, unfortunately, well, French.
Shit man, is english not your native tongue, or what? This makes no sense at all...
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1. And you helped the French in ww1 and ww2 just out of the goodness in your heart? Or maybe there was some issue with war debts and possibly losing good markets, or just plain question of who gets to be top dog after the war.......
Those and other issues that are within the interests of the American people are OK with me. But the overiding reason was the threat to democracy.
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As I recall, it was pretty much an "imaginary" line with respect to modern mechanized warfare, something which the French were blind to. When the French are overrun by Muslims in about 10-20 years, what will be their excuse then?
Imaginary? It was an elaborate and expensive system of defenses. It was no match for the German panzers, but there were over 100 main forts along the German/French border. The problem with it was that it was antiquated. It certainly was NOT imaginary.
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..... The problem with it was that it was antiquated......
That was my point. Pehaps I was too subtle.
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That was my point. Pehaps I was too subtle.


Subtle? Hmmm...I suppose I would never associate subtlety with you....
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