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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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There are a great number of US military bases around the world, no question about that. (I’d like to see a comprehesive map of ‘em myself). But if a country decides that it doesn’t want US bases on its soil it can make a political decision on it and tell the US to leave, it has happened for example in Uzbekistan. Protestors in other countries can make their voices heard in the media, but they don’t have the majoritys support in their country. I can remember from the Cold war history that for example NATO had made decision not to build permanent bases in Norway, but the leaders in Norway insisted to get bases on their soil.

Europe in general has been under the “umbrella” of the US. A big reminder of that was the Kosovo war, where EU didn’t have the military to deal with Serbias aggression, all we had were peace keepers who weren’t enough. Some said that Kosovo war was illegal.
Strictly Kosovo was illegal. Even worse it was based on lies. NATO aggression caused all kinds of suffering, and it turns out there was no genocide, there was a low scale civil war where both sides were guilty of atrocities, and a third side brought its own disgusting atrocities under the banner of NATO.

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Pure imperialism would be exploitation of foreign nations with forcing those nations to heel with military strenght for purely your own interest. Putting forces into countries where they were not wanted. Many countries want the US forces to be there (as noted by other posters too). In Germany many local people didn't like the removal of certain US bases, because they had brought cash in to the local businesses for decades. How did we get the democracies of Germany and Japan? Do you think Germany and Japan are being economically exploited by the imperialistic US? I think those countries are doing very well in the global markets. Baltic countries are another good example, 60 years being truly exploited by an imperialistic power, and within 10 years of freedom their economy is booming and they are a part of NATO and EU. Are they now being exploited by the US?
Instead of gold we have the reserve currency as the US dollar. As long as all nations hold american dollars, and especially Japan since it must buy oil in american dollars, the US treasury benefits greatly through controlled inflation of the US dollar.

The US military has been given the job to protect oil all over the world. In past empires this was no different.

Im not saying that some nations do not benefit from american empire, just as many peoples beneffited from roman, british, turkish, and dutch empires. Other nations are not so lucky. like the ME, latin america, or indonesia, vietnam, etc.. The germans and french would have benefiited greatly had america not invaded iraq, for they would have some lucrative oil contracts with Saddam.


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Are the US actions aimed to exploit resources by taking them by force? I think if Iraq is truly developed into a democracy and becomes a part of the global economy, sells its own oil for the benefit of its people, then how is that considered as imperialism? If the US wanted more cheap oil to flow into the global market it could use political, economical, and military pressure (force) to influence oil producing nations to increase production, to act like a true imperialist power. As we have seen OPEC pretty much does what it wants.
The US cannot control the price of oil, nor does it benefit from oil that is too cheap (throughout the 90s). The elite is the ones who benefit from high oil prices, and it is the elite that props up and keeps american politicians in power. Americans and Canadians have been paying way too little for oil for far too long, the current price of oil is really nothing.

America is certainly in Iraq because of oil. Not to capture it and take it home, but to protect it with military bases and make sure rivals like china, or small potatoes like Saddam, cannot horde it, nationalize it, or just generally use it against americans. This is also why americans are building bases in eastern europe so that they can protect the piple lines, etc...

Historically, empires use the military to protect much needed resources, and sources of profit for their commercial backers. Today is no different.

Empires have always spun their imperialistic forays in humanitarian terms so that the masses would go along with it, believing they are spreading good fortune and rescuiing people from tyrrany. This is precisely what the british did in babylon many decades ago, and it is quite funny to go back and read the rhetoric of british politicians and military leaders talk about spreading freedom and saving the poor arabs. No different from today.

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Old 05-07-2006
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Anti-Americanism will continue to flourish until Bush Junior is removed from the White House and America stops acting like the Germany of the 1930's by invading countries illegally.
That's why we took over Canada, and turned them all into peasants making our guns and butter. Oops, that hasn't happened yet.
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Your post is just obnoxious glock. No wonder Americans aren't well-liked internationally. You're also wrong about WW2 and GW2 as anyone with a modicum of knowledge about those events would be quick to point out.
It really isn't important if a few countries full of swindlers don't like people like me. So how, exactly, am I wrong?
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It really isn't important if a few countries full of swindlers don't like people like me. So how, exactly, am I wrong?
Your not wrong. There is never a reason to be concerned with canada. It is the land of nothingness and insignificance.
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It really isn't important if a few countries full of swindlers don't like people like me. So how, exactly, am I wrong?
And you live in Gods own country where everyone are good christians who never does anything wrong? God would laugh his ass off!
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But we also have to look beyond Iraq to what americas military has done globally. In that they have no competition. They are active in dozens of countries around the globe. Take this for instance:

Pyongtaek, South Korea - South Korean riot police fought pitched battles with anti-U.S. protesters and farmers on Thursday, as authorities moved to clear two rural townships to pave the way for a new U.S. military base.

About 1,000 protesters, many wielding bamboo sticks, clashed with police armed with batons in an area about 70 km (44 miles) south of Seoul where land for the base has been allocated. http://www.boston.com/news/world/asi..._over_us_base/



IMO, these protestors are perfectly justified in hating america. Imagine if the US military was taking over small towns in your village, what a disgrace.

Can you say this about any other nation. I don't see china, russia, or europe building military bases all over the planet and displacing locals so that they can protect narrow interests. Read the PNAC documents, the white house security strategies, and the philosophical writings of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol for an glimpse into the grand strategy of america. It is pure imperialism.

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I don't think you are carefully reading ductor's posts. He is asking for a wider perspective - not defending the US. I know you think anti-American hatred is justified (you always do....) but are you willing to question your own bias? Or do you NEED to hold on to anti-American sentiments?
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And you live in Gods own country where everyone are good christians who never does anything wrong? God would laugh his ass off!
Do you actually think before you post this stuff? Of course you have the right to criticize Americans, so don't start whining about that. But you should have at least some willingness to deal with the reality of American life.

Your posts include every stereotype about Americans, all mixed together. The result doesn't make sense.
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Do you actually think before you post this stuff? Of course you have the right to criticize Americans, so don't start whining about that. But you should have at least some willingness to deal with the reality of American life.

Your posts include every stereotype about Americans, all mixed together. The result doesn't make sense.
Dont take everything I post seriously! I was just trying to get Glockmail down from his high horse and ride a pony.
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As I recall, the French denied Germany was a problem until after they were rolling through Paris. It seems that not much has changed.
And? Germans are rolling through Paris - is this a problem? It seems a lot has changed.

By the way - the french knew very well about the danger - but Germany used a new weapon they knew nothing about - parachutists.
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And you live in Gods own country where everyone are good christians who never does anything wrong? God would laugh his ass off!
1. How does simply living in The Promised Land make all that live there somehow perfect?
2. Where have I claimed this?
3. Good deflection, but you missed the point of the post. What could be the reason for that?
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And? Germans are rolling through Paris - is this a problem? It seems a lot has changed.

By the way - the french knew very well about the danger - but Germany used a new weapon they knew nothing about - parachutists.
France, once a Catholic nation, are now being overun by radical Muslims. That is what I was referring to. Just as the frenchies couldn't see the potential of 20th century German technology on warfare, they don't see the current threat to their culture. As some of the frenchies blame the US for not saving their arses on day 1 of WW2, these same woosies currently see the US as striving for world domination, when in fact, it is fanatical Islam.
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France, once a Catholic nation, are now being overun by radical Muslims. That is what I was referring to. Just as the frenchies couldn't see the potential of 20th century German technology on warfare, they don't see the current threat to their culture. As some of the frenchies blame the US for not saving their arses on day 1 of WW2, these same woosies currently see the US as striving for world domination, when in fact, it is fanatical Islam.

Glock,

I've read many of your posts but this one is your best attempt as humour so far. I really did find it funny. Thanks !
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Glock,

I've read many of your posts but this one is your best attempt as humour so far. I really did find it funny. Thanks !
It's much easier to dismiss reality as humor than to face it.
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I don't think you are carefully reading ductor's posts. He is asking for a wider perspective - not defending the US. I know you think anti-American hatred is justified (you always do....) but are you willing to question your own bias? Or do you NEED to hold on to anti-American sentiments?
Ohhh...does this mean i made it off your ignore list??

I think I understood Ductors post. I do think that the US gets most of the focus, and that some other nations get a bit of a pass. But what I think is going on is that the US has voluntarily taken the drivers seat of the globe. (this is not disputable if you read the their open and published strategy. http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html)

The US has taken the position of global hegemon, nobody has asked them to do it, they did this eagerly and voluntarily. This will naturally lead to hatred, distrust, and instability. This is unavoidable, and it is my job as a citizen of the world to criticize it every chance I get. I will never support the unilateral and unjustified use of force designed to create an economic and military empire by any nation whatsoever under any circumstances.

Do you agree that the US military should be diplacing locals in their own nations in order to further the hegemony? You do realize this goes against the declaration of human rights don't you? Do you not think that south koreans are justified in protesting against the destruction of their homes and their communities by the american military?

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