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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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And you're doing a good job propogating pictures like that to foster that sentiment.

Thanks.
I just posted a picture of an American protestor. Morevoer I added that I dont believe it represents the majority only remotely.

And in fact there was allready someone here on the board who agreed with the message the woman shows.

Furthermore I dont really think I one can foster Anti American sentiments among Americans that well
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Innocent civies get kiled in war. That's reality, and none, except our enemy Al Queda, condones it.
I never said that they don’t get killed in war. In this case, if it is the one I believe it to be, it was avoidable. This civilian was essentially executed; this cannot be excused with the usual line that, well, civilians die, it’s a matter of life, suck it up, get over it.

And here is this woman parading around calling this innocent man an enemy and that therefore, he is less than human and his death does not equate to murder. I find it hard to believe that only Al Qa’ida condones killing civilians, too. There are many terrorist groups out there; not all of them adhere to fundamentalist Islam.

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So what would you do with an enemy who is looking to kill you, and as many like you, as possible?
I understand that people die on battlefields, glockmail, I am not debating that. And I understand that people have conflicts of interest and will, and that war is unfortunately as much a part of modern human culture as it was hundreds and thousands of years ago. However, those facts have nothing to do with the event of this civilian being pulled from his home and shot, nor with the subsequent coverup that is now being investigated, nor with that ignorant, prejudiced woman.
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I never said that they don’t get killed in war. In this case, if it is the one I believe it to be, it was avoidable. This civilian was essentially executed; this cannot be excused with the usual line that, well, civilians die, it’s a matter of life, suck it up, get over it.

And here is this woman parading around calling this innocent man an enemy and that therefore, he is less than human and his death does not equate to murder. I find it hard to believe that only Al Qa’ida condones killing civilians, too. There are many terrorist groups out there; not all of them adhere to fundamentalist Islam.





I understand that people die on battlefields, glockmail, I am not debating that. And I understand that people have conflicts of interest and will, and that war is unfortunately as much a part of modern human culture as it was hundreds and thousands of years ago. However, those facts have nothing to do with the event of this civilian being pulled from his home and shot, nor with the subsequent coverup that is now being investigated, nor with that ignorant, prejudiced woman.
I'll wait until the facts come out before I judge the US soldiers involved in this less than 1 percent case. Meanwhile, please answer my earlier questions without trying to hide your post by deleting my name from the quotes.
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Meanwhile, please answer my earlier questions without trying to hide your post by deleting my name from the quotes.
I don't see how "deleting" your name from a quote involves me trying to hide my post. Whether or not your name is in the quote box, my post is clear for everyone to see. Also, did it occur to you that I just might copy and paste comments between the quote tags in a word document, and that I don't have a sinister agenda when in fact I have almost never put the name of the person I'm quoting? Sure, maybe it is lazy, but it has nothing to do with, somehow, hiding my posts.

Also, I can't find your earlier questions to me, and I've gone back 6 pages in the thread. I don't know what you're talking about.

And if you're going to hold your judgment on the soldiers, I don't see how you can justify supporting that lady's position. She seems to assume that all Iraqis are the enemy.
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

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The tax allready now does only apply on large sums. 200.000 $ upwards or so. What I have read, thats not that often the case to be inherited. But that the affected people to a large part inherited much more than that minimal sum, so the tax has quite a dimension while really only hitting those who can afford it anyway.

Its just a tax break for the rich. Well, people could say openly so, still the conservatives who supported it preffered to call it otherwise.



Taxis on the profit of the company are evaded in great style. The proble is the larger the company the more this is true. Mulinationals often dont pay any taxes at all, except the one perhaps for low dividends. The legal form of a public limited company is choosen nearly exclusively by larger companies and has an astonishing density of those tax evaders. A taxation on the dividen can be reasnoble, even the more as it leads to keeping the money in the company and to be invested directly again. Its for sure better than an as large single taxation on profit for example.



From the news, not only European but also American, dont ask me which, it was too long ago that I could remember that exactly.
Are there statistics that show the distribution of benfitants of the tax break accoirding to income or similar?




Its one of economics that the higher the income the less money goes directly into consume again. I guess also American economists would not question that. Also its no secret that poorer people spend money more locally, allthough this coull certainly vary from country to country, there is a certain trend that is not contested either but to find in every book about economics.



The poor ones dont play a role in econmics? Give me a break. If I reduce the taxes for a poor one about one $ it will profitate the economy more than if I would reduce the taxes for a wealthy person about one $.
So the benefit is higher whe the tax break amounts to the same dimensions.



Good for you. But why do you need then tax breaks at all? You are not really such fans of Keynes are you?
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...108143,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax
Slarti, the tax isn't on estates valued at $200,000 it is on estates of $2,000,000 or higher for an individual, $4,000,000 or higher for couples.
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Luap, You seem very well read, so I'm going to assume that you are familiar with the historical accounts of the two World Wars of the 20th century. In each of these wars, millions of people died and many of them were killed in cold blood. Even if these soldiers killed a civilian on purpose, we should not judge them harshly. We should put them in a federal prison for five or six years, but war is insane. It is insane; there should be no question about its nature. The mere notion that our men and women are not allowed to fire until fired upon in Iraq is so civilized as to border on the ridiculous. War is insane and it drives people insane. How do you think terrorists get the way they get? For them, life is war; both physical and spiritual. To them, Americans really are devils. War is insane and insane things will happen. Those of us not fighting should be cautious about hating our enemy and even more cautious about judging the insane actions of our troops, when from time to time, they lose their minds in war.
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..... I don't see how you can justify supporting that lady's position. She seems to assume that all Iraqis are the enemy.
She's holding a sign that reads "killing the enemy is not murder". How do you justify your assumption that she assumes that all Iraqis are the enemy?
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http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...108143,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax
Slarti, the tax isn't on estates valued at $200,000 it is on estates of $2,000,000 or higher for an individual, $4,000,000 or higher for couples.
Hehe, wow, who the fuck is affected by such a law if not only those who belong to the club of millionairs. That really is very beneficial for my argument.

Anyway, thanks for the correction.
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She's holding a sign that reads "killing the enemy is not murder". How do you justify your assumption that she assumes that all Iraqis are the enemy?
She is holding the sign "killing the enemy is not murder" in response to the trial against soldiers that are accused of brutally killing a defenseless Iraqui civilian just because of revenge for a fallen comrade or so.

What this woman is saying is not more or less that this is nothing wrong as killing an enemy is not murder. Think about it how you like.


I think its detestable. It does not differ from terrorism, at least from the second on the American government would think about that kind of incidents in Iraq as this women obviously doees. Its good that your Administration does not do so.
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She is holding the sign "killing the enemy is not murder" in response to the trial against soldiers that are accused of brutally killing a defenseless Iraqui civilian just because of revenge for a fallen comrade or so.

What this woman is saying is not more or less that this is nothing wrong as killing an enemy is not murder. Think about it how you like.


I think its detestable. It does not differ from terrorism, at least from the second on the American government would think about that kind of incidents in Iraq as this women obviously doees. Its good that your Administration does not do so.
You appear to be assuming that the soldiers are guilty, before any trial or judgement. I see the woman as assuming innocence. And you think that is "detestable"?
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I thought freedom of speech was a reason to invade... Oh no sorry it was WMD
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Luap, You seem very well read, so I'm going to assume that you are familiar with the historical accounts of the two World Wars of the 20th century. In each of these wars, millions of people died and many of them were killed in cold blood. Even if these soldiers killed a civilian on purpose, we should not judge them harshly. We should put them in a federal prison for five or six years, but war is insane. It is insane; there should be no question about its nature. The mere notion that our men and women are not allowed to fire until fired upon in Iraq is so civilized as to border on the ridiculous. War is insane and it drives people insane. How do you think terrorists get the way they get? For them, life is war; both physical and spiritual. To them, Americans really are devils. War is insane and insane things will happen. Those of us not fighting should be cautious about hating our enemy and even more cautious about judging the insane actions of our troops, when from time to time, they lose their minds in war.
I can’t say that I can begin to understand what it feels like in a battle, but I have certainly heard of the horrors of war. My problem isn’t entirely with the soldiers in this debate; they should certainly be reprimanded, but empathy has to be shown as well. My main problem is with that woman that doesn’t care a murder had allegedly taken place.

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She's holding a sign that reads "killing the enemy is not murder". How do you justify your assumption that she assumes that all Iraqis are the enemy?
It isn’t an assumption, glockmail, I just put the picture in context. Slart said that she was a protester at a trial for soldiers that allegedly murdered a civilian. She does not know the outcome of the trial, she just showed up with her sign, which did indeed read “Killing the enemy is not murder.” She is attempting to justify that civilian’s death by claiming that he was an enemy – if that civilian is an enemy, where does it stop? How about that civilian over there? Or that one there?
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It isn’t an assumption, glockmail, I just put the picture in context. Slart said that she was a protester at a trial for soldiers that allegedly murdered a civilian. She does not know the outcome of the trial, she just showed up with her sign, which did indeed read “Killing the enemy is not murder.” She is attempting to justify that civilian’s death by claiming that he was an enemy – if that civilian is an enemy, where does it stop? How about that civilian over there? Or that one there?
In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. You don't seem to want to give the soldiers that right, even when they have fought for yours. I find that detestable.
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Wtf are you talking about? I am not saying that the soldiers are guilty. I don't know if they are. And that is my point: neither does that woman. And yet she wants to justify that Iraqi's death by simply calling him an enemy.

IMO, she is a moron. Going by her logic, then 9/11 is justified, since Al Qa'ida was just "killing the enemy," not murdering thousands of people.
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She is holding the sign "killing the enemy is not murder" in response to the trial against soldiers that are accused of brutally killing a defenseless Iraqui civilian just because of revenge for a fallen comrade or so.

What this woman is saying is not more or less that this is nothing wrong as killing an enemy is not murder. Think about it how you like.


I think its detestable. It does not differ from terrorism, at least from the second on the American government would think about that kind of incidents in Iraq as this women obviously doees. Its good that your Administration does not do so.
Those kids shouldnt be charged with murder, Manslaughter at the most maybe. look at my sig for the reason they are being charged with murder.

oh yea and another thing. I dont see the liberals getting all bent out of shape over the so called Amnisty that will be granted to some of these terrorists that have killed Americans.
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