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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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Old 07-06-2006
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Ok Glockmail. I read the article from the site:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/con...ory.asp?id=100

So now this article/incident is THE source, the ultimate explanation for your grudge?
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One of the earliest allegations of wrongdoing in the program surfaced on 25 January 2004, when al Mada, a daily newspaper in Iraq, published a list of individuals and organizations alleged to have received oil sales contracts via the UN's Oil-for-Food Program. The list came from over 15,000 documents which were reportedly found in the state-owned Iraqi oil corporation which had close links to the Iraqi Oil Ministry.......

Named in the list of beneficiaries were the British MP, George Galloway and his charity, the Mariam Fund, former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua, ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for...e#Al_Mada_list
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Old 07-06-2006
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Charles Pasqua is a crook and always has been. This said, Charles Pasqua doesn't decide what the foreign policy of France will be. Chirac does. So I'm afraid your attempt to link Oil-for-Food to the position of France wrt the iinvasion of Iraq doesn't cut it.
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Charles Pasqua is a crook and always has been. This said, Charles Pasqua doesn't decide what the foreign policy of France will be. Chirac does. So I'm afraid your attempt to link Oil-for-Food to the position of France wrt the iinvasion of Iraq doesn't cut it.
That's a pitiful response, throwing out one of the crooks and hiding behind all the others.
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That's a pitiful response, throwing out one of the crooks and hiding behind all the others.
Hmmm? Oh, you mean the Americans? Send them over here, we'll deal with them.
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Think again.
Oh, I have.
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Old 07-06-2006
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"Dear Mr. Glockmail. I have recently asked you why you hate the French so much. (copy paste):
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Ok Glockmail. I read the article from the site:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/con...ory.asp?id=100

So now this article/incident is THE source, the ultimate explanation for your grudge?
you answered me with more links of the same topic, but I still am as unknowing as before. Is this oil for food program now really THE source of your grudge and the explanation why you hate the French so much?
Thanks for your response, I'm curous to know"

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Forget it, glockmail won't set foot outside God's country.
I kinda doubt that glockmail has ever set foot outside his daddys ranch.
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What were those last two posts about?
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What were those last two posts about?
Well if you didn't get my drift, not so important, just read the last part, it's a simple question, nothing more.
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I kinda doubt that glockmail has ever set foot outside his daddys ranch.
This appears to be nothing more than a baseless accusation. Are the facts that hard to swallow?
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Well if you didn't get my drift, not so important, just read the last part, it's a simple question, nothing more.
As I indicated in the beginning, my main beef with France is that the purposely screwed up the UN deal, along with the Germans and the Russians, in an attempt to keep their illegal oil for food scandal from going public. This is at the expense of US national security. That makes them our enemy. They lied to us about their true motives, and many of the frenchies in this forum won’t even admit that today, in spite of mountains of evidence. That makes them pussies. When we go to Iraq without the UN, then they claim that our action is illegal. That makes them hypocrits.

This is similar to what the French did in the 80's, when they refused use of their airspace for us to bomb Libya in retaliation for the German discotheque bombing that killed US soldiers. They don't give a crap about our national security, and prefer to side with our enemies when we need them

At least the Germans and Russians aren’t pussies; if I punched one in the nose I’d expect tem to toss one back. I’d expect a frenchie would lay down and cry.

The other thing about the French is that they think their culture is so damn superior to ours, constantly demeaning ours, yet US culture is sweeping the world, in spite of the French attempts to keep their culture from eroding. If their culture was superior then they wouldn't have to constantly remind us that is supposedly is.

BTW I’m not to pleased with the Swiss either. Their secretive banking laws are illegal in the US, and have been used to hide money stolen as far back as WW2, probably much earlier. This makes them co-conspirators in crimes committed throughout the world, for generations. Yet they have such a damn superior attitude! They’re dirty.
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@Glockmail

Before I continue, a word to the oil for food program. This was not an French invention, it was an action of the UN in order to fight the shortage of food in Iraq -oil in trade for food. The idea behind oil for food was good, but it was handled badly. Allot of money from this oil buisness was used as compensation for the countries involved in the war for the losses they suffered. More money was used to pay the expensive UN burocracy that managed the oil for food program. In the end there was not that much left for the Iraqies. While the oil for food program did improve the situation in Iraq it wasn't enough to protect many Iraqi citizens from a death of starvation. Whatever, this oil for food stuff clearly isn't a pleasant chapter of UN-history. Now, you can either cast the UN to hell, or you can try to improve it, it's up to you!
Ok that said, the French didn't invent that program, just so that's clear. A couple of French, Russian, English and Syrian officials managed to make illigal profits from that program, that's all we have, not more. No one can prove that any governments were involved into this, that's pure speculation.

Now let's look what you've got Glockmail:

Your Arguments on France:
A couple of French officials made illigal profits from the oil for food program. Furthermore you believe that France blocked an UN-supported Iraq war in order to cover these officials. Furthermore the French refused to open their airspace in the 80's to the USA.

Your Arguments on Switzerland
You don't like Switzerland becacause Swiss banks are/were involved in secretive and dirty deals.

These are your arguments, and these arguments are enough for you to send whole cultures to damnation. Is it a French artist's fault that some of his fellow country citizens were involved in illigal buisnesses? Does the French mother have any fault when a French politician abuses the oil for food program to make illigal profits?
Is it the ordinary Swiss guy's fault when a Swiss bank is involved in dirty deals??
What are you doing Glockmail? You're picking out some Crimes a government has commited and afterwords send the whole culture behind that sinful government to hell. Many people would call that RACISM

When these few crimes you listed are enough for you to send whole cultures to hell, than I don't know how you can like any culture at all. Or can you name me one government in history with no dirt on it's hands?

Why do you not hate the USA Glockmail?? If you'd be consequent you'd hate the USA like mad!!

Is the fact the USA used ammunition made of depleted uranium in the first Iraq war no Crime? (Many Iraqies were exposed to the radiation, a steep clime in miscarriages and deaseses was the consequence)

Is the fact that the USA performed such a strict import regulation in Iraq (first war) not a crime????? The sanctions the USA imposed on Iraq killed 1.5 million Iraqies due to starvation. Even after the oil for food program was launched to fight the food shortage, the USA still refused to allow medication and watercleaning technology to be imported, leaving the situation in Iraq a mess.

Is the fact that the USA supportet the Suharto-Regime (Indonesia) with equippment and political support no Crime? The USA didn't only support that regime, they also helped that regime to come to power in the first place with a murderous coup.To fresh up your memories: The Suharto Regime was a reign of terror. After East timor proclaimed independance Indonesisa occupied East timor (1975), murdering 200'000 citizens out of a population of 700'000. All that happend with the OK and support from the USA. At that time the USA didn't want east timor to turn red, so that was justification to let Indonesia perform their murderous crimes.

Is it not a crime that the USA was massivly involved in the putch of the democratically elected Salavdor Allendes in Chile, in order to help one of the most radical dictator South America has ever seen (Pinochet, 1973) come to power??

This list could be continued farther.

Glockmail, you have collectivly sent all French to hell because of some greedy French officials. You have also sent all Swiss to hell because Swiss banks were involved in criminal deals:
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BTW I’m not to pleased with the Swiss either. Their secretive banking laws are illegal in the US, and have been used to hide money stolen as far back as WW2, probably much earlier. This makes them co-conspirators in crimes committed throughout the world, for generations. Yet they have such a damn superior attitude! They’re dirty.
What do you think Glockmail, the USA is Gods country that stands for the ultimate justice and possesses the highest of all morals?? I think I gave you a enough examples of US crimes that are worse than these couple of greedy French officials making illegal profits. So if you are consequent you won't only send the French and the Swiss to hell, you will also send the USA to hell. And if you won't do that, than you are rating countries differently, and that would make you a racist.

Whats the difference between you and me Glockmail?
I don't generalize. While i have a negative sentiment towards the US government I don't automatically project that sentiment on American Culture. I drink Coke, listen to american music, whatch american films and I just love hot dogs.
You are the exact opposite. You feel some actions from foreign governments to be insulting to the US. This negative sentiment you automatically project onto the whole country, the whole culture and all it's citizens behind that government, you send them all to hell, you generalize.

Well, if your ideology makes you so happy than congratulations. I am only happy that people with your attitude are a minority in the world and in the USA. The other way around it would be frightening. What comes from people with your attitude history has already shown with Nazi-Germany during WW2. World wars are something we must prevent, thus we must prevent intolerant ideologies to spread, ideologies like yours.

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...... You're picking out some Crimes a government has commited and afterwords send the whole culture behind that sinful government to hell. .....[/b]

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When did I do that?
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Old 07-07-2006
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When did I do that?
LOL now you must be kidding me.
Do you find phrases like
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Of course I hold a grudge- french are pussies
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Screw them bastards. Let them rot in their own stew meat. Shut our borders and let them screw themselves silly.
(refering to europeans)
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I don't give the French much importance at all. I'm just calling it like I see it. They are liars
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They lied to us about their true motives, and many of the frenchies in this forum won’t even admit that today, in spite of mountains of evidence. That makes them pussies
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Well said. I'd just as soon see 'em all go to hell hand in hand if they could do so without affecting us. Screw 'em!
(again refering to europeans)

to be constructive criticism to express what the French government is doing wrong????
Sorry pal, if you say things like French are liars, or French are pussies than that is an assault on France as a total. Your not insulting French politics, not certain French people, no, with phrases like those you insult the French culture, as a total, and that is certainly the way every French citizen perceives such comments.
Or how do you perceive it when someone would say Americans are pussies?? Wow, now that would be very constructive criticism on US politics, right?

Give it up Glockmail, you are trying to make France look like an agressor, but if you look at the posts there is only one agressor around on these forums. While the French are mostly trying to stay polite on these forums, you're throwing around with insults. Just look at the posts so far. Who is the agressor??Who is the racist?? You or the French??

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.....Sorry pal, if you say things like French are liars, or French are pussies than that is an assault on France as a total. Your not insulting French politics, not certain French people, no, with phrases like those you insult the French culture, as a total, and that is certainly the way every French citizen perceives such comments....
So are you backing down from your earlier assertion that I want to "send the whole culture behind that sinful government to hell"?

You need to decide what you are accusing me of before you damn me.
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