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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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Old 07-07-2006
Morgenes Morgenes is offline
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

Btw Glockmail, I have got some nice homework for you.
Please answer the folloing questions:
Give me your definition of "racist".
What is the difference between a critical but constructive remark and a racistic remark?
What is the minimal requirements for a country to become an enemy of the USA (in your oppinion)?
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Old 07-09-2006
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

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France (and many other countries) opposed an UN supportet iraq war and they denied the US to use their airspace. ......
But France claims they are our ally and then stab us in the back. All to cover up their corruption. Money is more important to them than loyalty to an ally, American lives and American national security. Screw them.
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Old 07-09-2006
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......A phobia is not necessarily a fear. It can be a dislike, or aversion. .......

You do not have the knowledge of the full past and present behavior of all the french people. You're judging on incomplete, and probably incorrect as well, information.

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QED, my man. You are definitely a retarded racist.
1. Great. Change the English language to suit your agenda. Classic.
2. I've seen enough in my lifetime, as well as read enough history, to see an obvious trend: the french are enemies to the US.
3. Your insult #2 to me means 2 gold star points for me!! Keep them coming, please!!
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Old 07-09-2006
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Indeed, France refused to let the US use its airspace while engaged in an act of war against Lybia. Why? Because France was not at war with Lybia, nor had any desire to be. Good point, Morgenes.
Stupid point, actually. The US was not at war with Germany for several years of WW1, but still gave full support to Germany's enemies, including france.
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Old 07-09-2006
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But France claims they are our ally and then stab us in the back. All to cover up their corruption. Money is more important to them than loyalty to an ally, American lives and American national security.
Doesn't American value its economic and political interests over the wishes of their allies? We invaded Iraq over France's repeated objections to protect our economic and political interests. Why should France sacrifice its ideals and economic interests for our own? They are an ally, not a servant. You act as if this is some kind of betrayal, instead of what it is, two different national strategies for economic success. Get over it.
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Old 07-09-2006
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Btw Glockmail, I have got some nice homework for you.
Please answer the folloing questions:
Give me your definition of "racist".
What is the difference between a critical but constructive remark and a racistic remark?
What is the minimal requirements for a country to become an enemy of the USA (in your oppinion)?
1. Someone who believes that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Exercising or involving careful judgment or judicious evaluation vs. (does not show up in the dictionary).
3. Direct attack, or, a history of lying, cheating, backstabbing, and putting their own self interest at the expense of American lives or American national security, ie: france.
4. What is your point of 1 and 2?
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Old 07-09-2006
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....You act as if this is some kind of betrayal, instead of what it is, two different national strategies for economic success. Get over it.
We are talking about national security, not economic success. That is where you have gone wrong.
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Old 07-09-2006
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1. Someone who believes that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Exercising or involving careful judgment or judicious evaluation vs. (does not show up in the dictionary).
3. Direct attack, or, a history of lying, cheating, backstabbing, and putting their own self interest at the expense of American lives or American national security, ie: france.
4. What is your point of 1 and 2?
Uh it seems to me using your definition Israel is a worse enemy than France. After all they have spied on us which did hurt our national interest. Lied about it initially which is lying. Spying on us at all would be stabbing us in the back since we give them so much in aid. While I am not sure that they put American lives in jeopardy you didn't say all of the conditions you mentioned had to be met, and I think 5 out of a possible 7 qualifies.
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We are talking about national security, not economic success. That is where you have gone wrong.
Disclaimer, don't want this to regress into a should we/shouldn't we have inaded Iraq, just here me out. I disagree that invading Iraq is about national security. Clearly you agree. The majority of French people feel the way that I do about this and France has an elected democracy. So, if you're a French politician who likes having a job and wants to win in the next election. Do you make a big stink and try and force your fellows to change their minds and support the war in Iraq? Or do you do what will keep your job, openly oppose the war and be part of the majority coalition in your country that does?

This is why the emotinalism of your response to France is just a little too much. The people there, politicians, citizens etc have their own views on the world and they don't have to agree with ours. I know that, to you, this is a national security issue of paramount importance. But, not to them so much. So don't act like they are in league with Al-Qaeda, they just disagree.
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Old 07-12-2006
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Uh it seems to me using your definition Israel is a worse enemy than France. After all they have spied on us which did hurt our national interest. Lied about it initially which is lying. Spying on us at all would be stabbing us in the back since we give them so much in aid. While I am not sure that they put American lives in jeopardy you didn't say all of the conditions you mentioned had to be met, and I think 5 out of a possible 7 qualifies.
Does Israel have a long history of stabbing us in the back as france does?
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Old 07-12-2006
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Disclaimer, don't want this to regress into a should we/shouldn't we have inaded Iraq, just here me out. I disagree that invading Iraq is about national security. Clearly you agree. The majority of French people feel the way that I do about this and France has an elected democracy. So, if you're a French politician who likes having a job and wants to win in the next election. Do you make a big stink and try and force your fellows to change their minds and support the war in Iraq? Or do you do what will keep your job, openly oppose the war and be part of the majority coalition in your country that does?

This is why the emotinalism of your response to France is just a little too much. The people there, politicians, citizens etc have their own views on the world and they don't have to agree with ours. I know that, to you, this is a national security issue of paramount importance. But, not to them so much. So don't act like they are in league with Al-Qaeda, they just disagree.
If they happen to disagree with us, then so be it. If that's the case than the diplomatic action would be to recuse yourself from UN actions. But that's not what france did- they told us that they would do one thing then did another, wasting time and money, lying to us the entire time. And they are still lying to us now. Screw france.
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Old 07-12-2006
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1. Great. Change the English language to suit your agenda. Classic.
You know what a dictionary is, right? So why don't you check instead of making a fool of yourself?
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Stupid point, actually. The US was not at war with Germany for several years of WW1, but still gave full support to Germany's enemies, including france.
So what's your point? That hypocrisy is an american prerogative?
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Does Israel have a long history of stabbing us in the back as france does?
And just exactly when did France backstab the US? Can't think of one example, myself.
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So what's your point? That hypocrisy is an american prerogative?

As crazy as it sounds many people do argue this quite bluntly. Its called american exemptionalism, american exceptionalism, or manifest destiny.

It does not matter what you call it but many hyper-jingoist americans and at least one canadian named Michael Ignatieff argue that indeed american hypocrisy is not only justified but entirely necessary if the world is to continue on with the perception that america is an indispensible nation that the world could not survive without.

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