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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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Old 07-13-2006
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

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Such as? Feels like you've been promising me facts for ever. Haven't yet seen any.
You've simply chosen to ignore them.
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

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Yes, I do.

While not uniquely American, it does seem to be our forte, as compared to other groups.

I find Euros less obnoxious in speech, for example, and more so in movement.

For example, how many times have you been forced off a sidewalk/path in an international resort- say Punta Cana or Isla Margarita- by a group of Spanish (etc) girls who have chosen to walk down said 3-person (width) path in a row of 3?

Do you understand what I mean?
Next time simply stop, and they will walk around you.
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I don't think that is uniquely American.

Who ever lives in a big city has seen and heard plenty of loud and obnoxious people from other countries shouting in their own language and acting like jackasses. I see and hear it all the time. .....
I think it’s more regional than that. I was reminded-shocked last time I went to a restaurant near Boston, just how loud and obnoxious they are compared to us Southerners. They are worse than New Yorkers, who have a reputation around the world. Fact is, a large percentage of tourists are New Yorkers and other large Cities were that behavior is considered normal.
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I think there is such persistent Anti-Americanism today because, basically, we deserve it.
Unfrortunately, I have to agree
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I think it’s more regional than that. I was reminded-shocked last time I went to a restaurant near Boston, just how loud and obnoxious they are compared to us Southerners. They are worse than New Yorkers, who have a reputation around the world. Fact is, a large percentage of tourists are New Yorkers and other large Cities were that behavior is considered normal.
So you southern folks are less selfish and more humble towards your fellow man?
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So you southern folks are less selfish and more humble towards your fellow man?
In my experience, yes.
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Does Israel have a long history of stabbing us in the back as france does?

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Yep they pretty much do.

This was fro a site called counter punch. Clearly a, well lets just say not moderate website. However the items they identify and dates it seems to me do come from some reputable sources and publications, although I know you will dispute that description fits the NYT's they are not the only source cited.
Just my opinion of course But I put France and Israel in pretty much the same catagory. With France my deogatory opinion started when I was stationed in Europe during the Air Lift (1950) and was enforced while stationed in France (not a part of Europe ) in1956 during the Suez Crises, and thence joined in distain by Isreal. Unfortunately in both cases the crimes (sic)therein commited by those governments were joined by the US as an (at the time) "unwilling" accomplice. My distain for both has only highthened on the last fifty-odd years

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So you southern folks are less selfish and more humble towards your fellow man?
Certainly less loud and obnoxious.
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Unfrortunately, I have to agree
Shelby Steele, on his theory of “White Guilt”: “Wielding anti-Americanism gives you the moral high ground, lets you define legitimacy in institutions and in foreign policy. …The richer you get in America, the guiltier you get, because there's an inequality somewhere, and you are somehow contributing to it, you are a part of someone else's oppression. I was talking to a very wealthy doctor not long ago who also inherited wealth, so he'd always been wealthy. He said, "I just ache to do something good." So he's giving money to all kinds of bad causes. Well, there it is. If he enjoys his wealth, or uses it, then he's on top of the racial hierarchy, and remains there by oppressing others. So he just aches to fight off the stigma. Wealth is always contaminated and if you're wealthy there's a dead body somewhere. Evil was done. Racism was committed.”
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Does Israel have a long history of stabbing us in the back as france does?



Just my opinion of course But I put France and Israel in pretty much the same catagory. With France my deogatory opinion started when I was stationed in Europe during the Air Lift (1950) and was enforced while stationed in France (not a part of Europe ) in1956 during the Suez Crises, and thence joined in distain by Isreal. Unfortunately in both cases the crimes (sic)therein commited by those governments were joined by the US as an (at the time) "unwilling" accomplice. My distain for both has only highthened on the last fifty-odd years
So you agree that france sucks, then?
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Yes, I do.

While not uniquely American, it does seem to be our forte, as compared to other groups.

I find Euros less obnoxious in speech, for example, and more so in movement.

For example, how many times have you been forced off a sidewalk/path in an international resort- say Punta Cana or Isla Margarita- by a group of Spanish (etc) girls who have chosen to walk down said 3-person (width) path in a row of 3?

Do you understand what I mean?

Yes women are generally unaware of sharing sidewalks, pathways and doorways. It is not part of their conditioning. I am not sure that is an American quality since I experienced it across Europe and I see non American women do it here.

Anyways, I could talk about how horrible so many Mexicans act like here in the US, with gangs, leering and cat calling women, etc etc

And I could go on pointing out the questionable behavior of other people.

But then someone will call me racist right.

So why is there an exception to criticize Americans?

That substantiates the point of this thread.
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Re: Anti-Americanism 'feels like racism'

Tried that, Glock (#542).

Didn't work, they just plow into ya.

And I'm an ex- Div I QB, so I should be able to hold my space against an 18 year-old girl from Barcelona.
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I think it’s more regional than that. I was reminded-shocked last time I went to a restaurant near Boston, just how loud and obnoxious they are compared to us Southerners. They are worse than New Yorkers, who have a reputation around the world. Fact is, a large percentage of tourists are New Yorkers and other large Cities were that behavior is considered normal.
In my opinon, a thick Boston Accent is the worst man made sound in America and makes any southern twang sound like Beethoven's 9th.

And the Boston Redsox fans seem to be the least behaved in all of US sports. They act like World Cup fans.

Other than that Boston is a lovely city with wonderful people.
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Tried that, Glock (#542).

Didn't work, they just plow into ya.

And I'm an ex- Div I QB, so I should be able to hold my space against an 18 year-old girl from Barcelona.
That is kind of funny now that I reread your post.

I thought I was the only one who had the connundrum of trying to share a sidewalk with a group of girls who won't budge.

And while I am singling out women, when I did travel around Europe and would hear loud obnoxious Americans, it was almost always a group of young girls just blabbing away.


Now I just need to find me a loud woman from boston with a thick accent to travel the world with.
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Tried that, Glock (#542).

Didn't work, they just plow into ya.

And I'm an ex- Div I QB, so I should be able to hold my space against an 18 year-old girl from Barcelona.
At least its a nice, soft crash
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