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View Poll Results: Anti-Americanism Is Due to
US policies and its support for Israel 44 36.07%
Ignorance/Arrogance 32 26.23%
Lack of US Economic Aid 0 0%
US superiority 17 13.93%
Fat Americans 6 4.92%
Other 23 18.85%
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Old 09-21-2006
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I voted "US Superiority"

Funny how a lot of foreigners want to blame the US for problems but then they want our money or help when the crap hits the fan.
Ever heard the idiom: "With power comes responsability"?
You take the power and dont care about responsabilities. (at least your government seems to act so from time to time)

BTW in how far does Europe wants your money apart from the free market which you are such a defender of?
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Ever heard the idiom: "With power comes responsability"?

I totally agree with that.

You take the power and dont care about responsabilities. (at least your government seems to act so from time to time)

Name one that hasn't.

BTW in how far does Europe wants your money apart from the free market which you are such a defender of?
The U.S. "hands out" multi-millions every year to other nations "supposely" to help the people. Many of those nations was found to have the money go into their leaders pockets and few money to the people.
The last I knew, the U.S. was the number one country giving to other nations. I am talking actual help, not promises.
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The U.S. "hands out" multi-millions every year to other nations "supposely" to help the people. Many of those nations was found to have the money go into their leaders pockets and few money to the people.
The last I knew, the U.S. was the number one country giving to other nations. I am talking actual help, not promises.
Not the donation debate again. We have dozens of threads in the archives about that. About public about private donations, dimensions, ways to calculate them, statistics and the correct way to look at them, or not...

The US is definitely not a larger contributer of financial aid than Europe, not public not private. And also not per capita or in total numbers. And I am talking here about real help not some vague promises. I neither have the motivation to do research about that again, but you are welcome to find those threads yourself, they have boomed after the Tsunami desaster in Asia to give a hint.

But whats the point about that anyway? It would not change much if I would say, that the US (mis-)uses its financial help more often than anyother one for its own interests that have nothing to do with the efficiency of the help but just which regime is more "cooperative" on completely other issues.


I was not talking about donations anyway, but more about the common view of Americans that they have the right to intervene everywhere they want, but dont have to care about what the world thinks, nor that its of that great importance anyway what happens outside of the US. Who cares about death tolls here or death tolls there, as long as not too many coffins are returning home.
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I was not talking about donations anyway, but more about the common view of Americans that they have the right to intervene everywhere they want, but dont have to care about what the world thinks, nor that its of that great importance anyway what happens outside of the US. Who cares about death tolls here or death tolls there, as long as not too many coffins are returning home.
I think you are giving Americans too much credit. Many don't even know what is going on in Washington D.C. or their state legislatures, let alone what is happening in the rest of the world
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The irony of your ignorant, arrogant statement in responce to this thread is overwhelming!

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I choose ignorance and arrogance, which seems to be a universal trait. They are ignorant of us and at the same time arrogant enough to think they know something we don't . Lest we feel to superior though we suffer from the same disease.
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Meanwhile the rest of the world has more mass violence over trivial things, uprisings in France, whining about religion, pictures, crying about the United States because they feel they have been ripped off. Its a jealousy thing. Imagine if France was in the position of the US. We'd all be dead, or would have surrendered to some dictator. No one looks at the good the US does, like their involvement in Asia, their defending of the democratic world which has no other means to defend itself. Hell the rest of the world can't even watch a soccer match without killing each other. Every country has its problems, but this massive inferiority complex the rest of the world has is ridiculous, get over yourselves, stop blaming americans, look at your own country and your own government and i bet you'll find most of your problems right there.

Anti-American racism is pure jealousy
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I choose ignorance and arrogance, which seems to be a universal trait. They are ignorant of us and at the same time arrogant enough to think they know something we don't . Lest we feel to superior though we suffer from the same disease.
That seems to be a truly universal rule in the world Gort. Sadly enough. And forums like this one, could give members of it the chance to change that at least for them personally. Well, or alternatively to be the stage to show how ignorant and arrogant oneself really is...

Talking with the first class of people is interesting and enriches ones perspective, the second class of people is at least very entertaining to look at and to read their posts...
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Meanwhile the rest of the world has more mass violence over trivial things, uprisings in France, whining about religion, pictures, crying about the United States because they feel they have been ripped off. Its a jealousy thing. Imagine if France was in the position of the US. We'd all be dead, or would have surrendered to some dictator. No one looks at the good the US does, like their involvement in Asia, their defending of the democratic world which has no other means to defend itself. Hell the rest of the world can't even watch a soccer match without killing each other. Every country has its problems, but this massive inferiority complex the rest of the world has is ridiculous, get over yourselves, stop blaming americans, look at your own country and your own government and i bet you'll find most of your problems right there.

Anti-American racism is pure jealousy
Hm, lets sum it up.

I live in Vienna, thats a city often labelled as the safest city with more than 1 million inhabitants in the world (or at least it for sure belongs to the top 10). International studies rank it regularely among the best cities to live in worldwide (last study it was on place 3). Its whole center is moreover of such historical importance and such beauty that its a UNESCO world heritage site, and ranks among the top travel destinations. Since the downfall of the Iron curtain its furthermore booming economically too. Not to forget the role as very important centre for conferences and international diplomacy (UN, OSCD, OPEC...). etc etc

Hm, I guess these are very strong indications for the need to be jealous at others...
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Hm, lets sum it up.

I live in Vienna, thats a city often labelled as the safest city with more than 1 million inhabitants in the world (or at least it for sure belongs to the top 10). International studies rank it regularely among the best cities to live in worldwide (last study it was on place 3). Its whole center is moreover of such historical importance and such beauty that its a UNESCO world heritage site, and ranks among the top travel destinations. Since the downfall of the Iron curtain its furthermore booming economically too. Not to forget the role as very important centre for conferences and international diplomacy (UN, OSCD, OPEC...). etc etc

Hm, I guess these are very strong indications for the need to be jealous at others...
You're absolutely right. There is no need. But any other reason is hypocritical. It's all an inferiority complex. Or maybe it's the easy way out. Let's all blame the US. Everything that happens bad in the world is the fault of the US. Which one is it then? I thought it was jealousy, but I could be wrong, maybe it's the easy way out. But take the US out of the picture and there will still be as much crap in the world. Whose fault would it be then?
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You're absolutely right. There is no need. But any other reason is hypocritical. It's all an inferiority complex. Or maybe it's the easy way out. Let's all blame the US. Everything that happens bad in the world is the fault of the US. Which one is it then? I thought it was jealousy, but I could be wrong, maybe it's the easy way out. But take the US out of the picture and there will still be as much crap in the world. Whose fault would it be then?
You are right people allways search for someone they can blame. Concerning that I fear people worldwide are all the same. It would be an interesting topic though to find out whom the average American likes to blame.
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You are right people allways search for someone they can blame. Concerning that I fear people worldwide are all the same. It would be an interesting topic though to find out whom the average American likes to blame.
Hmm, never have thought of that. But from what I get, they will just blame Liberals or Conservatives. haha. But doesn't this bring to light that we would just rather lay blame than deal with the problems. I mean if you want to be honest, Europe is to blame for the problems of the west. Especially France in Britain. But that was 60-80 years ago. But who cares? Whether it be a century, a decade, a year, or a day. The current problems need cooperation, not blame. The world is too reliant on this blame the US attitude.
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Hmm, never have thought of that. But from what I get, they will just blame Liberals or Conservatives. haha. But doesn't this bring to light that we would just rather lay blame than deal with the problems. I mean if you want to be honest, Europe is to blame for the problems of the west. Especially France in Britain. But that was 60-80 years ago. But who cares? Whether it be a century, a decade, a year, or a day. The current problems need cooperation, not blame. The world is too reliant on this blame the US attitude.
Of course Europe is to blame for the problem of the west, after all the west is nothing else than Europe + Europeans who have left the continent. (To the largest share at least)
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Of course Europe is to blame for the problem of the west, after all the west is nothing else than Europe + Europeans who have left the continent. (To the largest share at least)

The people that came here were the people that Europe did not want. Cant says i blame them.

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