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Old 06-02-2006
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Is Africa doomed??

Over the past few weeks, headlines have been screaming warnings about Africa. "HIV will decimate Africa." "Global Warming will hit Africa hard." "Bird flu will ravage Africa." Is all this just liberal hysteria? According to reports, there will be about 10 people left in Africa in 2010.
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Over the past few weeks, headlines have been screaming warnings about Africa. "HIV will decimate Africa." "Global Warming will hit Africa hard." "Bird flu will ravage Africa." Is all this just liberal hysteria? According to reports, there will be about 10 people left in Africa in 2010.
I'm sure Africa will survive, though it will also suffer a lot. Their biggest problems really seem to be tribalism and their culture of corruption. If they could deal with them they could meet the other challenges, but though the outside world can offer help for AIDS, etc., only Africans can make changes in their culture.
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Over the past few weeks, headlines have been screaming warnings about Africa. "HIV will decimate Africa." "Global Warming will hit Africa hard." "Bird flu will ravage Africa." Is all this just liberal hysteria? According to reports, there will be about 10 people left in Africa in 2010.
Do you have no character to make fun out of the most suffering people on earth?

People writing stuff like that should be immideately sent to eg Congo or another comparable state in Africa. Would be interesting to see how long they would make it.

Its for sure, that HIV is a giant problem in Africa, moreover as they hardly can finance medication or information campaigns, if you look at the victim-statistics your cynism should get stuck in your throut. If you look at the civil wars, the in many eareas precary nutrition situation and poverty etc

Having that said, those huge desasters of course do not mean that every single African is currently starving to death, of course thats not the case, but isnt it enough if there are millions who do?

I do not even remotely have a grip how someone could relate that sufferage to some stupid partisan showfight...
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Re: Is Africa doomed??

Questions have arisen about the West's pledge for more aid.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...071001532.html
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Questions have arisen about the West's pledge for more aid.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...071001532.html
No question, much has been done wrong on this area. And still many things are going wrong in aid programs.

But its not that help per se would be wrong, its the way its often commited. You have to go into the direction of sustainable developement. Short term help is immenant in times of crises and desasters. But its for nothing if you want to stop the sufferage of the African continent.

For example food programs are the enemy of every developement if they are used outside of immenant need. The should be only an emergeny means of help. For the long term you have to help the local agriculture and economy to get started. If you dont do so, you just ruin the last bits of the local agriculture because why should someone buy food if its much cheaper to just get it.
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No amount of AID will pull Africa from the depths of mass death and poverty that it wallows in, nature is doing what it must to make anew by causing much extinction of the many animals that pretend to be Human. The disease, famine and other problems are brought on by ignorance and lack of desire to join the modern culture and work for their survival and therefore they get what they asked for. I don’t feel a bit sorry for Africa as a nation; I do feel sorry for the individuals that are being brought into this cruel existence by the stupidity of their parents though. Simple observation should have taught these people what they need to progress but evidently they are incapable and need to die.

No amount of money can fix stupidity and the majority of these tribes are in fact stupid and live like animals and therefore nature is treating them like animals, as it should.
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No amount of AID will pull Africa from the depths of mass death and poverty that it wallows in, nature is doing what it must to make anew by causing much extinction of the many animals that pretend to be Human. The disease, famine and other problems are brought on by ignorance and lack of desire to join the modern culture and work for their survival and therefore they get what they asked for. I don’t feel a bit sorry for Africa as a nation; I do feel sorry for the individuals that are being brought into this cruel existence by the stupidity of their parents though. Simple observation should have taught these people what they need to progress but evidently they are incapable and need to die.

No amount of money can fix stupidity and the majority of these tribes are in fact stupid and live like animals and therefore nature is treating them like animals, as it should.
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No amount of AID will pull Africa from the depths of mass death and poverty that it wallows in, nature is doing what it must to make anew by causing much extinction of the many animals that pretend to be Human. The disease, famine and other problems are brought on by ignorance and lack of desire to join the modern culture and work for their survival and therefore they get what they asked for. I don’t feel a bit sorry for Africa as a nation; I do feel sorry for the individuals that are being brought into this cruel existence by the stupidity of their parents though. Simple observation should have taught these people what they need to progress but evidently they are incapable and need to die.

No amount of money can fix stupidity and the majority of these tribes are in fact stupid and live like animals and therefore nature is treating them like animals, as it should.

Your ignorance and hate never cease to amaze.


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I think that what Africa really needs above all else are stable democratic political institutions. Africa should adopt some European models of democratic institutions (I believe its Belgian consociationalism) which is specifically adapted to bring together a lot of diverse people. This is what Africa needs. Africa's woes are caused primarily by tribalism, or the competition among tribes, and extreme fractionalization of African society and political loyalty along tribal lines. Some African countries hae 60 or so tribes competing against each other. The rulers of Africa may be loyal to a handful of tribes and then rather than doing their job for the nation, they merely lavish national benefits on a tribe or two.

Africa needs stronger democratic institutions. I really don't know how a ruler can get away with being loyal to only a few tribes if he has to win a majoritarian election.


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I think that what Africa really needs above all else are stable democratic political institutions. Africa should adopt some European models of democratic institutions (I believe its Belgian consociationalism) which is specifically adapted to bring together a lot of diverse people. This is what Africa needs. Africa's woes are caused primarily by tribalism, or the competition among tribes, and extreme fractionalization of African society and political loyalty along tribal lines. Some African countries hae 60 or so tribes competing against each other. The rulers of Africa may be loyal to a handful of tribes and then rather than doing their job for the nation, they merely lavish national benefits on a tribe or two.

Africa needs stronger democratic institutions. I really don't know how a ruler can get away with being loyal to only a few tribes if he has to win a majoritarian election.


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Interesting, you say I hate without cause or evidence, then turn around and basically support what I said with this above statement. I only added in the fact that Nature will do what it does for a good reason; hate has nothing to do with it.

Please explain how these people are not acting and living like Animals (in general). As I said, I sympathize with the individuals (children) but I do not sympathize with the problems of the entire nation, it got what it asked for. So don’t blame my acknowledgment of the truth and acceptance for the cruel treatment Nature will dole out to stupidity, and don’t bother to fight it as this will only make things worse, let it run its course.
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Interesting, you say I hate without cause or evidence, then turn around and basically support what I said with this above statement.
I don't support anything you say. You are ignorant of most of what you say and you are driven only by hate. I am quite the opposite of you.

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Please explain how these people are not acting and living like Animals (in general). As I said, I sympathize with the individuals (children) but I do not sympathize with the problems of the entire nation, it got what it asked for. So don’t blame my acknowledgment of the truth and acceptance for the cruel treatment Nature will dole out to stupidity, and don’t bother to fight it as this will only make things worse, let it run its course.
I need not explain anything more to you. Not that anything you said here escapes the description of hateful and ignorant.


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I don't support anything you say. You are ignorant of most of what you say and you are driven only by hate. I am quite the opposite of you.



I need not explain anything more to you. Not that anything you said here escapes the description of hateful and ignorant.


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No amount of AID will pull Africa from the depths of mass death and poverty that it wallows in, nature is doing what it must to make anew by causing much extinction of the many animals that pretend to be Human. The disease, famine and other problems are brought on by ignorance and lack of desire to join the modern culture and work for their survival and therefore they get what they asked for. I don’t feel a bit sorry for Africa as a nation; I do feel sorry for the individuals that are being brought into this cruel existence by the stupidity of their parents though. Simple observation should have taught these people what they need to progress but evidently they are incapable and need to die.

No amount of money can fix stupidity and the majority of these tribes are in fact stupid and live like animals and therefore nature is treating them like animals, as it should.
Wow, I was really mistaken about you. On the religion threads I thought, finally here is a good Christian, one that makes me consider going back to the faith. You sounded like the Christianity I knew and loved before the neocons and Bush came along to use it for elections and war. But with this post, my original instinct was right on, thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't want to be a part of that "club". This is a sick and hateful post, really disgusting.
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Wow, I was really mistaken about you. On the religion threads I thought, finally here is a good Christian, one that makes me consider going back to the faith. You sounded like the Christianity I knew and loved before the neocons and Bush came along to use it for elections and war. But with this post, my original instinct was right on, thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't want to be a part of that "club". This is a sick and hateful post, really disgusting.
Nothing hateful about the laws of nature, it is what it is and sometimes cruel, what are you going to do, what can anybody do? Nature is supposed to cull out ignorance, we as a race have been suppressing this law for over a century now and it has gotten us nowhere, its like trying to keep someone alive on life support, no point, the body is already dead. That’s just the way I see it, I could be wrong but much observation tells me I'm not, and I’m open to any challenge that could refute this idea, but no one seems to want to really discuss, only ridicule.

Strange how you and WEB both look over all the detail that explains my position and go right for the throat of I Hate when I say the opposite, what’s up with that, I can understand it from WEB as that all he does is engage in childish emotive name calling without substance, but you should be able to understand if you will try and read without emotion.

However, if you insest on putting me in a box with a label I can't stop you, you endeavor to do this to everyone is seems, so I wont fight what you have your heart set on.

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Nothing hateful about the laws of nature, it is what it is and sometimes cruel, what are you going to do, what can anybody do? Nature is supposed to cull out ignorance, we as a race have been suppressing this law for over a century now and it has gotten us nowhere, its like trying to keep someone alive on life support, no point, the body is already dead. That’s just the way I see it, I could be wrong but much observation tells me I'm not, and I’m open to any challenge that could refute this idea, but no one seems to want to really discuss, only ridicule.

Strange how you and WEB both look over all the detail that explains my position and go right for the throat of I Hate when I say the opposite, what’s up with that, I can understand it from WEB as that all he does is engage in childish emotive name calling without substance, but you should be able to understand if you will try and read without emotion.

However, if you insest on putting me in a box with a label I can't stop you, you endeavor to do this to everyone is seems, so I wont fight what you have your heart set on.


Well you and your comments are recognized for the ignorance and hate which you spew. You talk about Africans deserving their deaths, and you call them animals. Now you can try all the sophistry that you want, yet it will still remain true that you have only showed your hate and ignorance on Africa. It seems that you are just trolling now and trying to be annoying and snide and doing some baiting. I guess that I would expect that sort of behavior from someone who holds your political views.


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