Yes, I have thought about this, and because I have, I have come to detest your country as being the new Nasis, and the greatest terrorist in the middle east. You and your countrymen have killed far more of them than they have of you. and I am totally disgusted with my own country for supporting your terrorism. I hope this latest phase will finally cause my nation to abandon yours.

Everyone I know is on Isarel's side in this conflict and so am I.

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Well your signature makes it obvious as to why So I don't even need to ask.

The majority on this message board are in agreement that there is equal blame to go around in the fighting between Israel/Palestine and Israel/Hizballah.

The first is right, the second isn't. Most members, I believe, would say that the Hezbollah is entirely condemnable.

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The problem is that if Israel kills hundreds of civilians each time 4 [!!!] soldiers are kidnapped, the crisis will see no solution except the total annihilation of one or the other side.
I think you should use an automatic corrector

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There is a thread somewhere, that people were saying how Hizballah killed Israeli soldiers first, but Israel killed civilians first. So in that way, they are both to blame.

The point is that Israel is not entirely made of people who want to kill civilians.

In french, Hizbolah is spelt "Hezbolah". Many spellings are possible. As for his english, it looks like dor doesn't care much about the spelling. He makes errors that are not due to his ignorance of the language but to a lack of attention. (bomebs, solidires were spelt right, then wrong...). Out of respect for those who read, it would be wise to check the spelling before posting.

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(Beckett)

It wasn't the Hamas nor the Hezbolah that did the 9/11, but it is true that the men who did that were inspired by the conflict between Israel and its neighbours.

If you say that an organisation that kidnaps a few people should be destroyed even if it means the death of innocent civilians... maybe you should try to put yourself in a Palestinian's shoes. What will a Palestinian or a Lebanese think? Perhaps that Israel is a terrorist organisation and should be killed at all cost, even if it means the death of innocent civilians.

It is the situation right now: both party claim they are in their full right. Both Israel and the terrorists refuse to hear any opinion that is not theirs: if someone tells them that they are wrong, the Israelis say "you are an enemy, too!", and so do the terrorists. If there is a heaven, many criminals and victims will realize there that they lived and killed and died for a wrong ideology. Simply because they were too stubborn to listen to independant people. How sad is this?


What is interesting in an international forum is the sharing of ideas, and the possibility to take distance from one's own environment.
In Israel, you probably aren't exposed to some of the very radical anti-Israelian ideas. You probably don't see many people who think that both Tsahal and the forces it fights are being criminals. Use this forum to see how we foreigners see the conflict.

To do this, you will need only one thing : an open mind. Don't call the ideas of those who disagree with you "pitiful", and your experience here will be great

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I'll bet you a $100 donation to USPOL that you can't do it. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

None. Though all of my high school teachers, and even my classmates sound more intelligent than you.

Not Turkey or Egypt. The Attaturk fought the European invaders off and created modern-day Turkey. Egypt is an ancient civilization, older than Europe. Although they lost the Sudan, the heart of Egypt stayed intact. The rest, yes was conquered by the Ottoman Empire and held by various Islammic Caliphates before then.

It seems that you are going the "might makes right" argument, which is a very amoral standard.

Well Israel's legitimacy is debatable since they stole all that land from the Palesetinians and are continuing to do so.

Israel has killed more than 250 people recently. That's fairly important. I guess you don't agree though. Although I find Israel's day-to-day attacks and expansion to be fairly repugnant, even someone as biased as you are can surely see that this is an enmormous escalation in violence for Israel and it's mostly one-sided killing in this case.

What so-called terrorists think about or do not think about firstly should not affect Israel, unless you are prepared to label them terrorists as well. Secondly, I do not appreciate my government constantly funneling weapons and diplomatic support as blank checks to Israel.

You are only arguing from a technical point of view. In reality, which is masked by pre-texts and gestures and ruses (which you have embraced) Israel is pre-empting Hezbollah with this campaign against them.

You're supposed to know that already.

This is the standard defense for Israeli nationalists. Anyone who disagrees with Israeli nationalism and attacks on civilians hates Jews. It's a disgusting play of the race card, no different than Cynthia McKinney, David Duke or the KKK. I suppose that this was supposed to scare me, but it actually just proves my point. Israeli nationalists, and Jewish nationalists, or Zionists if you prefer are so ruthless in trying to advance the borders and massive amounts of US support to Israel that they will viciously attack and slander anyone who disagrees with them or points out Israel's attacks on civilians, territorial ambitions and flouting of international law. People like you are part of the problem, and part of the reason why all of this is going on now.


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It's pitiful that you cannot see that your country has become everything which destroyed the Jewish people during the Holocaust. The Jews were attacked and slaughtered and butchered in the Holocaust. They were an exploited minority, who were killed at the mercy of the might of the Germany army. Now you do the same thing to the Palestinians and the Lebanese. You have become all that you hated. That is the true crime.


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Sorry - but it was not the German army that killed Jews - it were special forces without any control of the army that did so. And the israel army has no plan to kill all palestinian people or all people in the Lebanon. And it is true that lots of rockets were started from gaza and from the lebanon. Specially the terror organization Hisbolla is able to attack ships 17 kilometers away from the coast ort to send rockets to Haifa. Since 1978 soldiers from the UN are in the Lebanon. What did they do in the last 40 years? How can it be that an UN-Resoltuon from the secruity council from the year 2004 ist not fullfilled yet? What are the plans of the Hisbolla and the Hamas if they are kidnapping soldiers from Israel?

War is always a crime. But I'm astonished, that Israel is not stopping. What's going on?

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Anobsitar - the German people allowed it to happen. This is not an attack on Germans, because all of us could turn a blind eye to the most shocking atrocities given the right circumstances.

Israel's attacks on Lebanon don't exactly look like they are targeting Hezbollah - they seem to be targeting ordinary people, virtually laying seige so they don't have access to electricity, food and water, and preventing the many foreigners from leaving by bombing roads, bridges, airports .... do they REALLY think they won't be seen as deliberately targeting civilians? they MUST be living in lalaland if they think that most of the world would believe that.

Hisbollah's rockets are a concern - but is bombing Lebanese villages going to stop this? All I can see is the likelihood of anti Israeli sentiment growing stronger. Unjustified slaughter of civilians only breeds hatred - that is basic.

It was predictable. I have Jewish friends who are deeply saddened by what Israel has become. It is a viper in a sandpit - and there is NO HOPE for peace in the region.

I am not believe that you are equal the holocaust to what happen in israel mow!

You simply shameful! I really really nervous and deficient patience to this comparison as one that there was in Poland and saw the atrocities and the extermination camp, im unprepared to suffer this dumb comparison!
You simply disgusting in your racism, by the defective opinions and in the lack of thought.

You don't have any tenacity in the reality, you not experience what the Jewish nation ranch during tens years and how you dare to compare the holocaust to this?
You saw what they made in the holocaust? Their experience this? how much Jewish were killed?
To the people like you I do not congratulate like these things but I congratulate that you will experience hard things that will return you truly to the reality.
How you are not to be versus Israel in the time that your state attacked in full power even more big in 9/ 11? Suddenly forgot what the terror does in the world? See only the badness in Israel?
Disgusting.

Maybe you should be disgusted by the racism in your own nation!? Israel has cornered the market on hate and racism!

-68% of Israeli Jews would refuse to live in same building as an Arab.

-63% of Israeli Jews agree with the statement that "Arabs are a security and demographic threat to the state."

-62% of Israeli Jews believe the government should encourage Arabs to leave the country (Most recent poll!)

-50% of Israeli Jews express fear or discomfort when hearing people speaking Arabic.

-46% of Israeli Jews would refuse to allow an Arab to visit their home.

-41% of Israeli Jews support the segregation of Jews and Arabs in places of recreation.

-34% of Israeli Jews agreed with the statement that "Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture."

-18% of Israeli Jews said they feel hate when they hear someone speaking Arabic.

-During the course of 2005, 225 racially-motivated incidents directed at Arab citizens were reported to the Center for the Struggle Against Racism or in the media. The center believes that less than 20 percent of attacks or other incidents are ever reported.

SOURCES:

1) 'Poll: 68% of Jews would refuse to live in same building as an Arab' by Eli Ashkenazi and Jack Khoury, Haaretz, March 22, 2006

2) Survey: 62% support Arab emigration' By YAEL TEFF AND ELANA BROWNSTEIN, Jerusalem Post, May 9, 2006

I know this is a novel idea but maybe we can make the distinction between the individual people of Israel/palestine/lebanon and the governments of those nations to aviod sluging insults at each other. Yes they are democratically elected, but that doesn't mean they stand 100% behind there governments, look at the poll numbers in this country

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