Originally Posted by dor

Before i will start i want to apologize on my bad english.

I guess that in this forum have people that dont like so much israel but i dont care i fell that i need to write my oppinion on what is hapning now in my country - to some people in the world.

Israel, as you know is country that have a lot of power in the militry side.
she can do so much things to save her citizens and one of then is to destroy all the apparatus and people that killes, kidnap and hurt in a israel - this action not happen in one day! the Hizblahh kidnap 4 [!!!] soldiers and also stand an aultimtum to isarel, if she dont get free a thuosens of people that killes a lot of israel'is and have blood in them hands - she will kill the solidires.

The Hizblahh need to destroy, this terror organization killes a lot of israel in the last 10 years and israel will do a lot to destroy this organization.
I shore that this is the way to save the life of the citizens in israel.

If this organization dont be destroyed, one day he will came to United States and also do there a terror actions.

Now in isreal thousand of people hideen in the shelters to dont hurt from the bomebs of the Hizblaah.
And before a 3 hours where killed 8 people in Hifa from the bombs.

Just think about this,
dor.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

Shalom Dor,
I think that you'll find the many Americans support your struggle and wish you "good hunting". The reality is that if Israel is unable to stem Hezbollah, the US will be forced to do so at a later date. Those of us who study history know this to be a fact.
While you'll find many anti-Israel posters in this forum, KNOW that the majority of Americans pray for your success.
Keep safe.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

It would be easier to support Israel, if they were indeed targetting the military/militant side of the hezbollah, instead of targetting the Lebanese infrastructure, which includes roads, airports, bridges etc etc.

not being apologetic or defensive of hezbollah, but they did target the military personnel, not civilians, but the retalition by Israel on the flip side was totally against the civilian/infrastructure of the country, and not at all military (at least not the initial, first 2 days of their attacks). If Israel had attacked the militant side, and not the infrastructure, they would have a much better case, rather than how they responded.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

I wasn't aware that the hundreds of Katyusha rockets fired into Israel were guided.
As for Israel, it's bullshit that they targetted civilians. They targetted Hezbollah facilities and access points out of Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah from removing the hostages to Syria or Iran, initially. After that, they have applied increasing economic chaos on Lebanon to get the Lebanese government to clean their own house. If it fails to do so, shame on them.

Not even close. Hezbollah isn't just a bully, it is part of an official government. If Castro started lobbing missiles at us and sneaking into Miami to take hostages, how long do you think that island would still be floating?
A better analogy would be a little boy picks a fight with a bigger kid and gets his ass handed to him in the fight then expects sympathy from everyone around.

Originally Posted by Non Sequitur

I know this is a novel idea but maybe we can make the distinction between the individual people of Israel/palestine/lebanon and the governments of those nations to aviod sluging insults at each other. Yes they are democratically elected, but that doesn't mean they stand 100% behind there governments, look at the poll numbers in this country

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

If you learn how to read, and have to ability to place facts in a chronological order, you will learn that the rockets fired, were AFTER Israel attacked the infrastructure of Lebanon, a WELL known fact from ANY news agency.

Sequence of events:
1. Hezbollah kidnapped 2 soldiers
2. Israel retaliated by bombing the following in order:
roads, bridges, airport

Originally Posted by T.F.B.M

Absolutely. The autority given to a ruler in democracy does not imply that the entire people is committed and democratic leaders usually do not rule on behalf on their democratic people. It is certainly not like a tyranny where a people is at least responsible for not overthrowing the tyrant, democratically speaking.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

If you learn how to read, and have to ability to place facts in a chronological order,

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Sorry - but it was not the German army that killed Jews - it were special forces without any control of the army that did so.

Originally Posted by anobistar

And the israel army has no plan to kill all palestinian people or all people in the Lebanon.

Originally Posted by anobistar

And it is true that lots of rockets were started from gaza and from the lebanon. Specially the terror organization Hisbolla is able to attack ships 17 kilometers away from the coast ort to send rockets to Haifa. Since 1978 soldiers from the UN are in the Lebanon. What did they do in the last 40 years? How can it be that an UN-Resoltuon from the secruity council from the year 2004 ist not fullfilled yet? What are the plans of the Hisbolla and the Hamas if they are kidnapping soldiers from Israel?

Originally Posted by anobistar

War is always a crime. But I'm astonished, that Israel is not stopping. What's going on?

Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

The SS was part of the German Army. The charge of the SS was to eliminated Jews, was it not?



Their plan is to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, driving them from their lands. They have been fairly successful in that effort and it still continues today. Palestinians are denied housing permits in Jerusalem and then there homes are demolished, forcing them to leave. Palestinians are racially not allowed to settle in certain parts of that city, while I don't the Jews there suffer such racism (which is probably because they control the city).



I was recently reading the comments of a Lebanese Christian who had to admit, that were it not for Hezbollah Israel would still be occupying Lebanon and would never have withdrawn. Israel's aggression created Hezbollah. Look no further than the state of Israel to see why Hezbollah still exists.



Well Hezbollah has been receiving a lot of rockets and they are based in Southern Lebanon. I don't know how often Hezbollah has been using them in recent years, however I believe Israel has used this kidnapping as an excuse to attack and maim Hezbollah.


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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

The SS was part of the German Army. The charge of the SS was to eliminated Jews, was it not?

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

I wasn't aware that the hundreds of Katyusha rockets fired into Israel were guided.
As for Israel, it's bullshit that they targetted civilians. They targetted Hezbollah facilities and access points out of Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah from removing the hostages to Syria or Iran, initially. After that, they have applied increasing economic chaos on Lebanon to get the Lebanese government to clean their own house. If it fails to do so, shame on them.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

These were bombed to prevent Hezbollah from removing the hostages from Lebanon. They didn't start hitting other other targets until Hezbollah began firing Katyushas indiscriminately into Israel.


Did you expect Israel to give a free pass to Hezbollah to take their hostages out of the country? If a criminal took a person hostage, what would be the first thing that the police would do? Set up roadblocks. Well, Israel couldn't set up roadblocks, so it did the next best thing. It cut off the escape routes.

Originally Posted by dor

You know what the most that good a here to see?
That several that you think that Israel bombs gratuitous, more more places of terror in Lebanon are killed to my joy.
I hope so that Lebanon will fall along with the police of her terror and you even more will get nervous on the achievements of the Jewish army that not to compete in him and his strength will not questionable rule.
You simply dead from this that Israel are successful by her goals within the demolition of the Arab power.