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Old 07-20-2006
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Here's what Wikopedia gives as a timeline:


According to this, the first missile attack took place BEFORE the capture of the 2 Israeli soldiers.
Wikipedia, the same source that I can go and edit to show that Israel attacked? that source?.. I believe there is another timeline posted from the guardian on this forum somewhere as well..
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Old 07-21-2006
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timeline of events from the CBC


first 2 days July 12,13

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July 12, 2006:
Hezbollah militants in Lebanon conduct a raid into Israel, killing as many as seven Israeli soldiers and wounding another eight. The militants also capture two Israeli soldiers.

Israel's Defence Ministry says the Lebanese government would be held responsible for the kidnappings.

Israeli rockets target roads and bridges in southern Lebanon in an apparent attempt to block escape routes and troops enter the country to search for the abducted soldiers. Eight soldiers are killed and two are injured during fighting with Hezbollah.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert calls the Hezbollah attack "an act of war."


July 13, 2006:

Israeli air strikes target Beirut's international airport, destroying runways and fuel storage tanks. Other attacks hit highways, including the main highway between Beirut and Damascus, and military bases. The Israeli strikes kill about 60 people in Lebanon. Israel's navy enforces a sea blockade of ports in Lebanon. Israel insists that Hezbollah will not be able to return to its former position along the international border.

Hezbollah responds to the first wave of Israeli strikes by firing more than 100 Katushya rockets into northern Israel, killing two civilians. A rocket hits Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, but Hezbollah does not claim responsibility.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/mi...sis/index.html
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Old 07-21-2006
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What are you even talking about? Sorry, your 12 hour old comeback makes no sense. Doesn't matter, I could never tell if you were sober or not.

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Not too hard to tell when I'm sober. I haven't been drunk in about 36 years. How about you? Last night?
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Not too hard to tell when I'm sober. I haven't been drunk in about 36 years. How about you? Last night?
No? Why not? I mean, being drunk is kinda fun...If you don't do it every night, that is.
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No? Why not? I mean, being drunk is kinda fun...If you don't do it every night, that is.
I was 14 the last time I was drunk and had a hangover for almost 3 days. I learned my lesson young, a lesson that I don't care to repeat.
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Not too hard to tell when I'm sober. I haven't been drunk in about 36 years.
Hard to tell by your posting.

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How about you? Last night?
No, I don't drink often, though even when drunk I keep my foot out of my mouth, which is something you cannot say even when sober.


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Old 07-21-2006
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As for Israel, it's bullshit that they targetted civilians. They targetted Hezbollah facilities and access points out of Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah from removing the hostages to Syria or Iran, initially.
That is total bullshit.

I do not know what news you receive, but there are over 20,000 Australians trapped in Lebanon. Your fucking government won't let us get those people out.

We see every night the images of Israel's attacks on civilians. you are not targeting hezbollah - you are bombing families. when peole try to escape from southern lebanon you bomb roads and bridges so they cannot escape.

you bomb families trying to drive to safety. you threaten the ports so ships chartered by governments to rescue their civilians can not go into port safely.

Israel has become a monster. If you don't know that it is because you are the victim of propaganda. Just like the Germans were.
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These were bombed to prevent Hezbollah from removing the hostages from Lebanon. They didn't start hitting other other targets until Hezbollah began firing Katyushas indiscriminately into Israel.
That is bullshit.

The airports were hit first - which effectively prevented a lot of people getting out even before Hezbollah fired anything. It was in retaliation for the kidnapping of the soldiers.

It was a huge shock to people in the region, and was the worst thing that could have been done.

For the sake of trapping a few Hezbollah operatives, Israel is happy to slaughter (and deliberately target) hundreds of innocent civilans, injure over a thousand, and ensure that haldf a million people are either without food, electricity and water, or denied any exit from living under the threat of Israeli terror.

If you believe that attacking an entire nation without warning is the way you deal with terrorism, then you support an even worse form of terrorism yourself.
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I was recently reading the comments of a Lebanese Christian who had to admit, that were it not for Hezbollah Israel would still be occupying Lebanon and would never have withdrawn. Israel's aggression created Hezbollah.
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This is well known, and it was also Israeli aggression that created Hamas - and fed the support of Hamas to the point where they could gain government.
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You know what the most that good a here to see?
That several that you think that Israel bombs gratuitous, more more places of terror in Lebanon are killed to my joy.
I hope so that Lebanon will fall along with the police of her terror and you even more will get nervous on the achievements of the Jewish army that not to compete in him and his strength will not questionable rule.
You simply dead from this that Israel are successful by her goals within the demolition of the Arab power.
Right. so you are not the problem?
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Well I imagine that someone in Germany or Japan would say the same thing to a nervous Pole or Chinese during WWII. However, I don't feel that nervous about Israel. Israel is definetely wrong, but her "success" in murder and strengthening Hezbollah does not cause me particular dread. If you cared a wit about the lives of innocent people (including your own life) and less about Israeli nationalism, then you would not be so fast to try to destroy the Lebanese state.


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Good point. Lebanon, for all its ills, is a more secular nation than many in the region, with a religiously diverse population. You turn it into a hellhole, and you expand the influence of the Iranian shi'a government, and/or the influence of Syria. Even without this - you provide a breeding ground fro new recruits for Hesbollah. Then what?
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Old 07-23-2006
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Hard to tell by your posting.



No, I don't drink often, though even when drunk I keep my foot out of my mouth, which is something you cannot say even when sober.

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True, I should keep my foot out of your mouth, too.
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That is bullshit.

The airports were hit first - which effectively prevented a lot of people getting out even before Hezbollah fired anything. It was in retaliation for the kidnapping of the soldiers.

It was a huge shock to people in the region, and was the worst thing that could have been done.

For the sake of trapping a few Hezbollah operatives, Israel is happy to slaughter (and deliberately target) hundreds of innocent civilans, injure over a thousand, and ensure that haldf a million people are either without food, electricity and water, or denied any exit from living under the threat of Israeli terror.

If you believe that attacking an entire nation without warning is the way you deal with terrorism, then you support an even worse form of terrorism yourself.
You're so full of camel dung! Israel didn't indiscriminately bomb civilians, unlike Hezbollah has done with hundreds of wildly targeted missiles. Israel surgically struck roads, Hezbollah HQ and other specific targets while leaving nearby structures intact. Maybe if Hezbollah let its people leave as the Israeli leaflets dropped on them warned them to do, there would have been less collateral damage. But when you have a terrorist organization that launches missiles from neighborhoods that get bombed to stop them, you're going to get civilian casualties. When you have terrorists that hide under women's skirts and use kids as human shields, you get civilian casualties.
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This is well known, and it was also Israeli aggression that created Hamas - and fed the support of Hamas to the point where they could gain government.
Quite the contrary. Israel promoted Hamas over the PLO.
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Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, established in 1946 in Gaza. The Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood was a quiescent force whose main goal was a reorientation of Palestinian society to religion. The Brotherhood had relatitvely little to do with the fight against Israel or later in opposition to the occupation, though individual members were active in arms smuggling during the Israeli War of Independence. However, one group initiated by former members of the brotherhood, Hizb ut Tahrir, formed in the West Bank, later evolved into an international Islamist organization.
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Hamas was formed about February 1988 to allow participation of the brotherhood in the first Intifada. The founding leaders of Hamas were: Ahmad Yassin, ‘Abd al-Fattah Dukhan, Muhammed Shama’, Ibrahim al-Yazuri, Issa al-Najjar, Salah Shehadeh (from Bayt Hanun) and ‘Abd al-Aziz Rantisi. Dr. Mahmud Zahar is also usually listed as one of the original leader. Other leaders include: Sheikh Khalil Qawqa, Isa al-Ashar, Musa Abu Marzuq, Ibrahim Ghusha, Khalid Mish’al.

The August 1988 Charter declared that all Palestine is Islamic trust land, can never be surrendered to non-Muslims and is an integral part of Muslim world. It cites the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as legitimate documents, declares that negotiations and international conferences are a waste of time, and blames 'Zionists' for the French and Russian revolutions.

Hamas was created as three separate wings. The political wing, staffed by Yassin's closest allies (Shanab, Yazuri, Rantisi, Zahhar) produced leaflets, raised funds especially in Gulf, recruited members and coopted mosques. The intelligence apparatus, known as al-Majd (glory), under Yihyah Sanwar and Ruhi Mushtaha, was created for internal policing, especially of Gaza (eg killing collaborators). It later merged with the military wing, ‘Izz al-Din al-Qassam brigades, which began as the smallest wing. Hamas operated through a cell system, and was therefore hard for Israeli agents to penetrated. Israel barely interfered with its activities initially, continuing to see it as a social reformist organization and thus promoting it as a viable partner in discussions in order to marginalize the PLO, resulting in frequent meetings between Hamas figures (including Yassin) and Israeli government officials such as a reported Zahar-Rabin meeting. This tacit cooperation ended with the kidnapping and killing of Israeli soldiers Sasportas and Sa'don. Hamas was banned and Ahmed Yassin and others were arrested.
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamashistory.htm
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True, I should keep my foot out of your mouth, too.
Yes, this will inevitably help to prevent your head from being removed from your shoulders and in its present position, which seems to be up.....where the sun don't shine.


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