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CHUQ · #**121** (**permalink**) 07-28-2006

Reports that Israel and Hezbollah have had some limited contacts.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...282638,00.html

daisym · #**122** (**permalink**) 07-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

Bush is flying around.

Yes he does not hide in holes. He has the power to clear whole cities to be safe like holes. Last time happened in a random German village were the villagers were forbidden to leave their houses and some hand chosen flag waving pseudo villagers were flown in from somwhere else, in order that the village does not look that much sterile.

In how far is that being better or nearer to the people like hiding in holes?

I have to say I am also amazed at the level of security required for say, the Israeli ambassador in this country, which can intefere in the roles of ordinary citizens going about their business, compared to the level of security for our politicians, who are free to walk around unhampered by security.

Slartibartfas · #**123** (**permalink**) 07-29-2006

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Originally Posted by daisym

I have to say I am also amazed at the level of security required for say, the Israeli ambassador in this country, which can intefere in the roles of ordinary citizens going about their business, compared to the level of security for our politicians, who are free to walk around unhampered by security.

As you say that, you remind me of something that happened just a few months ago. A friend of mine lives directly next to the Israelian embassy in Vienna. There took place a visit, I am not sure of whom but perhaps from some Israelian minister. They nearly besieged the whole neighborhood. Everyone got cards so he is allowed to go to his own house and no visitors were allowed in one or two days there. They lived like in fortress for that time.

And our chancellor is attendending every week the same church while our President is one of the most grounded people you can imagine.

But thats nothing to the Swiss head of state. He is the most grounded guy in politics I have ever seen. No bodyguards, he hates protocoll-stiffness, dislike suits and likes to see himself just as first citizen of the country. Cool guy.

PS:
Hehe, at least in Austria, the Chancellor as the merely symbolic President earn more than Bush. While not constantly fearing about their lifes

jpsartre12 · #**124** (**permalink**) 07-30-2006

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Originally Posted by FreeThinker

If you read the timeline of events, ISRAEL attached the civilian infrastructure FIRST, after which point, hezbollah launched the rockets into Haifa.

Can you deny taht fact?

Yes I can. The Canadian soldier killed by the IDF bombing witnessed the following:

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Then on 28 May, the Islamic Jihad (PLO) fired rockets from South Lebanon, into Israel, which elicited an immediate aerial bombardment of positions near our patrol base and in the Bekka valley.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0716/20060718/

Can YOU deny THAT fact?!

Maxture · #**125** (**permalink**) 07-30-2006

Please show me exactly where this famous Canadian states that Hezbollah is using the UN post as a "shield". I just can't see why the Israel defending extremists can use this as something to "show" that Hezbollah is taking advantage of the proximity of a UN post. If I use all of my imagination, this is the closest thing to that:

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On the night of 16 July, at 2125 hrs, a large firefight broke out between the Hezbollah and the IDF near a village called Majidyye and lasted for one hour and 40 minutes.

So? The IDF invasion troops tried to occupy a Lebanese village, and the Hezbollah fighters went there to defend the village and prevent it from getting occupied by the aggressors. That might just as well prove that the IDF troops are not just getting covered by huge air strikes, but also by the proximity of a UN post. But of course there is no proof. As far as I can see, the Canadian's e-mail proves nothing. But please educate me.

jpsartre12 · #**126** (**permalink**) 07-31-2006

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Originally Posted by Maxture

Please show me exactly where this famous Canadian states that Hezbollah is using the UN post as a "shield". I just can't see why the Israel defending extremists can use this as something to "show" that Hezbollah is taking advantage of the proximity of a UN post. If I use all of my imagination, this is the closest thing to that:

So? The IDF invasion troops tried to occupy a Lebanese village, and the Hezbollah fighters went there to defend the village and prevent it from getting occupied by the aggressors. That might just as well prove that the IDF troops are not just getting covered by huge air strikes, but also by the proximity of a UN post. But of course there is no proof. As far as I can see, the Canadian's e-mail proves nothing. But please educate me.

Never mind. I guess there are some things that you just can't explain unless the audience is willing to hear.

dor · #**127** (**permalink**) 08-07-2006

http://terroristcrimes.blogspot.com

Only you will watch and show what the Israelis fetuss in the last while and after this you will judge if our actions of readiness or not.

There is here a gang of cynics that think that Israel enjoyed to hurt the territories that not her, if is not that from naive heart from start of the war were killed tens soldiers and people from our side also.

CHUQ · #**128** (**permalink**) 08-07-2006

Is Israel still defending herself? Or does 12,000 troops across the border into S. Lebanon to be considered an invasion?

jpsartre12 · #**129** (**permalink**) 08-07-2006

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

Is Israel still defending herself? Or does 12,000 troops across the border into S. Lebanon to be considered an invasion?

As long as rockets keep being shot from Lebanon, Israel has every right, IMO, to track them back to their source and destroy them. If it takes 12,000 or 120,000 so be it.

AjaxPress · #**130** (**permalink**) 08-07-2006

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Originally Posted by jpsartre12

As long as rockets keep being shot from Lebanon, Israel has every right, IMO, to track them back to their source and destroy them. If it takes 12,000 or 120,000 so be it.

Hizbellah is using precision rockets to create as few casualties on the Israeli side as possible while at the same time targeting key Israeli targets.

jpsartre12 · #**131** (**permalink**) 08-07-2006

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Originally Posted by reino

Hizbellah is using precision rockets to create as few casualties on the Israeli side as possible while at the same time targeting key Israeli targets.

I can see that you don't know squat about rockets. Since rocketry is my hobby, I bet that my homemade rockets have better precision that the Katyusha rockets do.

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Katyusha multiple rocket launchers are a type of rocket artillery built and fielded by the Soviet Union beginning in the Second World War. They are multiple rocket launchers able to deliver a devastating amount of explosives to an area target in a short period of time, although with low accuracy, and then take a relatively long period of time to reload. Compared to other types of artillery, they are fragile but inexpensive. Katyushas of World War Two, the first self-propelled artillery mass-produced by the Soviet Union, were usually mounted on trucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha

CHUQ · #**132** (**permalink**) 08-09-2006

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Originally Posted by jpsartre12

As long as rockets keep being shot from Lebanon, Israel has every right, IMO, to track them back to their source and destroy them. If it takes 12,000 or 120,000 so be it.

And Israel, apparently, is the only country in the region that can use the "self-defense" bullshit. Right?

CHUQ · #**133** (**permalink**) 08-09-2006

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Originally Posted by reino

Hizbellah is using precision rockets to create as few casualties on the Israeli side as possible while at the same time targeting key Israeli targets.

Regardless of the accuracy of the rockets, Hezbollah still has killed more soldiers than civilians. Punk boys of the IDF cannot say that.

jpsartre12 · #**134** (**permalink**) 08-09-2006

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

And Israel, apparently, is the only country in the region that can use the "self-defense" bullshit. Right?

Not at all. But when did self-defense involve crossing borders to kidnap people or fire missiles into another sovereign nation unprovoked?

CHUQ · #**135** (**permalink**) 08-10-2006

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Originally Posted by jpsartre12

Not at all. But when did self-defense involve crossing borders to kidnap people or fire missiles into another sovereign nation unprovoked?

Israel has been doing it for years.

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