You are right. We have lots of space. Michigan WANTED the trash in the first place. Now they cry foul (pun intended). They were kind of stupid to prostrate themselves for easy money in the first place. Oh well, that's Michigan for you. By the way, all of Detroit is a garbage dump. How could you possibly notice additional garbage from Toronto when it fits in like a charm? Stop buying our garbage and we'll stop sending it. That's your bad policy, not ours. By the way - we take your garbage all the time...it's called US TV.

Well bailey since I live nowhere near Detroit and agree with you on the condition of the city your insult missed the target. I would point out however Windsor is pretty much just the Canadian version of Detroit. Moreover since I am not a native of Michigan again your attempt at an insult is slightly off target.

I am however glad that someone finally said enough was enough and is finally forcing Ontario to take the garbage its residents create.

Oh and bailey in case no one has ever told you about this cool little feature on your television, there is a little button with the words On/Off somewhere located on the remote. Use it and you aren't forced to watch the garbage.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Flint is even crappier than Detroit. Secondly it was your state that initiated the importing of Canadian garbage. Why did you buy it in the first place? That was pretty retarded of your state.

Well so is Saginaw and a number of other cities in Michigan I could name. So whats you point. Moreover I do not live anywhere near any of these cities either so again these chidish attempts at insults just reinforce your position as the board child. As to why they allowed the garbage in here in the first place again I can't answer that since I was not a resident of Michigan when that happened. I suspect at that time we were already taking enough cross border pollution from Chemical Valley near Sarnia so that the household trash from Torronto didn't really matter much. However since we have no forced you to clean up Chemical Valley, or at least keep the pollution on your side of the border we have enough already on our side thank you very much, we no longer want to accept the residents of TO's offal. I am sure you could find a nice place up near Ottawa where it would blend right in.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

No, the feelings and opinions of canada do play a role in international trade. Because it is in our rational interest to avoid retaliatory action then it follows that it is also in our interest to consider what will cause retaliatory action. Its not acting simply because canada likes it one way, its a matter of considering the full result of certain actions.

OK if you wish to require a passport for visitors coming into Canada be my guest. To begin with I think it is only smart in the first place, and since we will already be requiring one it really isn't going to add much in the way of inconvenience. If you are talking about the goods crossing the border in trucks, that is already being adressed outside of this requirement, bailey either just doesn't know it or knows it but it doesn't fit into his point so he ignores it.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

America is tell China what China can and cannot do in China everyday!

Such as?

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

You can't be serious Gort. Get an education.

Ok educate me bailey. What have we told China they can and can not do? Sure we condem them for things but what is it we have demanded they do or don't do and added some type of retaliatory item if they do not listen to us, after all that is what you all are talking about with respect to the US Canada border.

Bailey may I suggest you actually take some time, do some research and act intelligently this time. I will wait.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

America is demanding China to raise Yuan currency, if not, tariff penalty will be imposed. China linked Yuan to several other currencies simultaneously and it has appreciated. However, America is not satisfied and continue lecturing on China to raise it from 1:8 to 1:4, which America think is reasonble.

America is also demanding China to pressure North Korea in its nuclear programs, otherwise, they will arm up Japan to threaten China.

Furthermore, America is demanding China to reduce military expenses and tell everybody how China spend every penny in military, regardless of the fact that Chinese rely on the military expenses that are of several order smaller in any measure than those of America to protect 1.3 billion people that are four times more than Americans. On the other hand, American military expenses in new weapons and secret oversea prisons are highly classified with nobody knows.

Finally, America prohibits Israel and China to do weapon purchase, and this time, they threaten Israel. A few years ago, America was also lecturing on China not to sell weapons to other countries. They condemned that one Chinese boat contained dangerous weapons, and even violently stopped the boat and demanded to send Americans to examine the Chinese boat! With nothing found out, America seems to start lecture less on Chinese weapon industry.

We have already discussed the yuan thing but lets go over it again. The US, like other nations, is asking China to allow its currency to float like any most other nations currencies do. Instead China insists on keeping it low to make their products cheaper and increasing their trade surpluses with most nations. What I believe we have said was if China doesn't, and this implies it is Chinas decision not something the US will force on China, we will increase tarrifs just enough to offset the difference in where the Yuan would be if it did float and where it is now. Moreover I do not recall the government telling China either you do this tomorrow or else.

America isn't demanding China do anything with respect to NK. What we are doing is sseeking your countries assistance. Please provide proof that we have indicated we will arm Japan if your country does not help get NK to eliminate its WMD's. And once you have provided some evidence that we have indicated we will arm Japan, please provide the evidence that we will do so specifically to threaten China. I am pretty sure you will not be able to do either, but hey I could be wrong.

America is not telling China to stop spending money on its military. America is making noises about its concern over the spending increases, but that is Chinas decision not America's. We of course will react accordingly. Again provide proof that we have insisted that you end your spending on the military.

Your last paragraph seems to directly contradict the one before it. America does not wish China to send WMD technology to any nation, but then again we do not want any other nation to do that either. We haven't threatened China that if yu do we will act against you. Please provide proof if you have it supporting your contention.

Luke what you have presented is your interpretation of some events. Frankly I think your interpretation is way off base, but then again given your paranoia over Japan this isn't all that suprising. You seem to think America has this ability to get nations to do what it wants when it wants. Hell we can't even do that with our allies, how the hell would you expect us to do that with China. You have a very peculiar way of reading world events and then comming to completely falso assumptions, or are you just getting this from Chinese sources?

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Gorty, I suggest you stop being arrogant and posting distortions of others arguments and being a general jackass. I will wait.

Of course, America is unable to directly force China to do anything as Canada is unable to directly force America to change its border fee. However, American government is accusing Chinese government of trade protectionism, financial nationalism and military expansion much more ferociously and extensively than the Canadians criticize Americans over border fee.

If you think Canadians have no right to tell you what you can do and what you cannot do, then Americans have no right to tell Chinese what currency policy we can adopt.

Now the Governor of Vermont and the Premier of Quebec have come out swinging against the stupid proposed Bush administration border foulup at the Canada-US border.....

Vermont govenor, Charest decry tougher border measures

By MARTIN OUELLET

BURLINGTON, Vt. (CP) - The governor of Vermont joined Quebec Premier Jean Charest on Friday in calling on Washington to avoid lengthening delays at Canada-U.S. border crossings.

The leaders rejected recent proposals to deploy troops and build a giant fence along Canada's southern border.

"To have troops along the longest friendly undefended border in the history of the world, I don't think it's necessary," said Gov. James H. Douglas said.

The question of border security was raised during a symposium at Burlington College on Quebec-Vermont relations.

The two leaders took advantage of the meeting to express opposition to the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which will require all Canadians by 2008 to have a passport or a yet-to-be-determined high-tech ID card in order to enter the U.S.

Charest said having to present a passport at border crossings will be more "damaging than helpful" to Americans and Canadians alike.

"This will have a major negative impact for economies on both sides of the border," he said.