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Old 09-09-2006
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Georgian Democracy 4ever!

How funny- seems that "exportation of democracy to Georgia" finally show results

http://www.messenger.com.ge/issues/1...6/n_1190_1.htm

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As fourteen of the twenty-nine supporters of wanted ex-security chief Igor Giorgadze arrested yesterday are charged with treason, President Saakashvili hailed the arrests.

"They will be punished severely and get what they deserve in the frames of law. Those people who stand behind them and sponsor them will see this clearly," the president said from Poland, where he is attending an economic forum.

Speaking with Black Sea Press influential National Movement MP Giga Bokeria said that Giorgadze and his supporters did not conceal their ties with the Kremlin and the fact that their party is financed from abroad.

However leader of the Hope Party and head of Giorgadze's charitable foundation, Irina Sarishvili, called allegations that Giorgadze's supporters were plotting a coup "absurd".

"The government invented this to avoid social unrest… If the government wants a revolution they will get it. I call upon all opposition political parties to embark on civil disobedience and large-scale demonstrations against the government," Sarishvili said at a press conference on September 7.

Sarishvili said law enforcement's claims that the arrested activists were plotting a coup during a May 4 meeting were "cynical".

"According to this absurd allegation Temur Zhorzholiani [arrested leader of Giorgadze affiliated Conservative-Monarchist Party] was at the meeting. But we can prove that Zhorzholiani was in a hospital on May 4 after a heart attack," Sarishvili claimed.

Along with Zhorzholiani, leader of the Anti-Soros protest movement Maia Nikoleishvili, sister of Igor Giorgadze's wife, Nino Topuria, and various Justice local party leaders were also arrested.

Fourteen of the twenty-nine people arrested have been charged with state treason for involvement in the plot, they are being held at the interior ministry's Constitutional Security Department, the others have been released. Zhorzholiani, Nikoleishvili and Topuria are among those charged.

Lawyers of the detainees state that their clients deny the charges, they also complain of procedural violations during the arrests.

Sarishvili said that footage released by the authorities which, along with showing arms and money apparently seized in the raids, showed a man and woman with their backs to the camera giving details of the 'secret meeting' in which the alleged coup was planned, was fake.

"None of the people that we saw from the back are the members of Justice, the Conservative-Monarchist party or Hope," claimed Sarishvili.
Are you folks not ashamed, if you see on tv how Georgian "policeman's", wearing US-made and US-look-like uniforms..with the Sheriff star are arresting oppositionaries accused of farcial preparing a coup d'etat ?...(remarkable is that according to governmental "evidences" it seems, as if nearby ALL opposition leaders planed to do it with their own hands...with self made explosives and hand weapons as if they would prepare a provincial-bank robbery)
Are you not ashamed of supporting such results of "flower revolutions" bringing to their countries nothing but chaos and poverty?
Are you not ashamed to have elected such a hypocrite as your president- which constantly tries to cover such governmental violance with US-"democracy"?
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Re: Georgian Democracy 4ever!

No wonder. This country can't have democracy. The main reasons are:

1). Its sitizens 7 times poorer than Russians!
2). Totalitarian tradition: Stalin was a georgian. Real name of Stalin is Djugashvili.

So regime of Saakashvili only uses rhetorics of democracy and organize repressions of opposition at the same time.

But there's no reaction from USA because regime of Saakashvili is pro-american. That's shows how America uses double standarts.

US's words about democracy has no value since secret jails, tortures on prisoners and support of authoritarian regime of Saakashvili.
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Re: Georgian Democracy 4ever!

You know...I think there ARE enough Americans who are ashamed of this...but you can not expect from farmers somewhere deep in Texas to know what really happens in the world And as we saw it during the last elections- it seems there are enough of them to be a majority... I think the large cities like New York or LA voted for the democrats...really sad.
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You know...I think there ARE enough Americans who are ashamed of this...but you can not expect from farmers somewhere deep in Texas to know what really happens in the world And as we saw it during the last elections- it seems there are enough of them to be a majority... I think the large cities like New York or LA voted for the democrats...really sad.
Sounds like a rather bigoted thing for you to say. There are no farmers "somewhere deep in Texas" you ignorant European. The US has no more than 1% of its population as farmers. How is it that you think that Germans are on average so much better informed than average Americans?
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Sounds like a rather bigoted thing for you to say. There are no farmers "somewhere deep in Texas" you ignorant European. The US has no more than 1% of its population as farmers. How is it that you think that Germans are on average so much better informed than average Americans?
And what can you say on the topic especially about

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I know that Saakashvili won the 2004 election with almost 97% of the popular vote, so what does the US have to do with that? Once again you are just hating on someone who favors good relations with the West over Russia.
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I know that Saakashvili won the 2004 election with almost 97% of the popular vote, so what does the US have to do with that?
The reason of his winnig is poverty and PR-technologies that brought ill alcoholic Yeltsin on second term.

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Once again you are just hating on someone who favors good relations with the West over Russia.
Oh! He has almost no relations with Russia. It's quite stupid to have better relations with states that even your neighbours. His country could make big profit from good relations with his direct neighbour - Russia.
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The reason of his winnig is poverty and PR-technologies that brought ill alcoholic Yeltsin on second term.
Only an insane nationalist can try to dismiss a 97% democratic victory. Apparently you preferred the rigged elections of a more Pro-Russian President Shevernadze.

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Oh! He has almost no relations with Russia. It's quite stupid to have better relations with states that even your neighbours. His country could make big profit from good relations with his direct neighbour - Russia.
Once again you lie. Saakashvili has stated that he welcomes Russian investment and wants good relations with Moscow. You want a servant though, not a partner.
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Saakashvili has stated that he welcomes Russian investment and wants good relations with Moscow.
He said before that Russians are "stupid rams that drink faeces". No one want to risk and to invest in unstable country with crazy president.
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But that's out of topic. So i see that you supporting arrests of opposition.
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He said before that Russians are "stupid rams that drink faeces". No one want to risk and to invest in unstable country with crazy president.
Proof?

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But that's out of topic. So i see that you supporting arrests of opposition.
Well it's delusional how you try to say that an election which put Saakashvili in power with 97% of the vote, is not democratic. You also prefer the previous pro-Russian government of Shevernadze, which engaged in widespread vote rigging and corruption. Let's be clear on that.

WRT this current situation, I have yet to see either proof from you or this other German fellow that the opposition was not engaged in a coup plot. This is only what Moscow says, and what you readily lap up.
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Proof?
I saw him telling this on tv.

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Well it's delusional how you try to say that an election which put Saakashvili in power with 97% of the vote, is not democratic.
Pls, don't pervert my words. I said that repression on oppositions is not democratic at all...

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You also prefer the previous pro-Russian government of Shevernadze, which engaged in widespread vote rigging and corruption.
This government has even bigger corruption. Do you know that salary of some ministers is paid from Soros fund?
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I saw him telling this on tv.
From you, I will set the standard of proof as what internet links you can show. Otherwise, well that's just what you say.

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Pls, don't pervert my words. I said that repression on oppositions is not democratic at all...
But you did like the old corrupt vote-rigging pro-Russian government better I'm sure. In any case, whenever your ready, go ahead and give us some credible source or some proof that says that the opposition was not planning a coup.

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This government has even bigger corruption. Do you know that salary of some ministers is paid from Soros fund?
I think this again shows your bias. Some of the past administrations corruption includes the purchase of villas for government officials as the public's expense. So, even if what you say is true (which I doubt) that would still be less than past corruption.
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I want to back you, W.E.B, to the first comment:

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Are you folks not ashamed, if you see on tv how Georgian "policeman's", wearing US-made and US-look-like uniforms..with the Sheriff star are arresting oppositionaries accused of farcial preparing a coup d'etat ?...(remarkable is that according to governmental "evidences" it seems, as if nearby ALL opposition leaders planed to do it with their own hands...with self made explosives and hand weapons as if they would prepare a provincial-bank robbery)
Pls, carefully comment it.


And you didn't comment that:

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US's words about democracy has no value since secret jails, tortures on prisoners and support of authoritarian regime of Saakashvili.
How can we trust US since it has secret jails and tortures on prisoners.
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I'm surprised, MV. Are you unable to use photoshop, or are you just unable to find a funny looking picture of Saakashvili?

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I want to back you, W.E.B, to the first comment:
You first, can you provide any credible source or proof that says that the arrested members were not engaged in a plot? I asked you first.
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