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Old 09-09-2006
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Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, and Quebecers are quicker to criticize the U.S. administration for its international actions than other Canadians, a recent poll suggests.

Those conclusions are found in a newly released poll conducted by Léger Marketing for the Association for Canadian Studies.

The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view.

When participants were given the option of choosing more than one cause for the attacks, two-thirds blamed Islamic fundamentalists and their anti-Western views, while a third pointed the finger at Israel and its position in the Middle East.

Canadian opinions have hardened against the United States and its role on the world stage, said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have contributed to a change of heart among people, he said.

But Canadians are divided on whether their government should pay more attention to issues fuelling extremist organizations in the Middle East, he said.

"There are a lot of people who think we should be listening closely [to extremist groups] and that there is an opportunity to dialogue with these sort of groups," said Jedwab Wednesday. "So it is showing a real ideological divide on some of these issues."

There's a growing need since the Sept. 11 attacks for balanced public education about terrorism, added Jedwab. "There is a tendency to see in these movements something more romantic than actually exists. That's something we need to keep debating in the country."

Léger Marketing interviewed 1,508 Canadian adults from Aug. 22 to Aug. 27. The poll results are considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points 19 times out of 20.
Taken from http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/07092006/...ame-u-s-9.html, thoughts? I think that this clearly shows that the US needs to review it's international policies. I personally think that this is quite correct.

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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

A sad story - but not surprising. A majority of Canadians blame Americans for 9/11... Yet there were some Canadians who died that day as well. How can they? Why ask why...

There's no point in arguing about it anymore. If Canadians (or anyone) prefer to blame Americans, there is no way to convince them otherwise. There is great deal of hatred and cowardice in this, but anti-Americanism this deep and ugly cannot be met with rational discussion.

The world is an easier place to live in for those who ignore evil, and anti-Americansim is the current trend - and of course, it is both safe and even enjoyable for Canadians, or for anyone, who wants to avoid living in the real world.

But ignoring reality never pays in the long run.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

That's a sad development if true, one that is more surprising given the recent threats made in Canada by a cell of extremists bent on a massive set of attacks, including butchering the Prime Minister in a gruesome manner. Tim put it well: "[i]gnoring reality never pays in the long run."
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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A sad story - but not surprising. A majority of Canadians blame Americans for 9/11... Yet there were some Canadians who died that day as well. How can they? Why ask why...

There's no point in arguing about it anymore. If Canadians (or anyone) prefer to blame Americans, there is no way to convince them otherwise. There is great deal of hatred and cowardice in this, but anti-Americanism this deep and ugly cannot be met with rational discussion.

The world is an easier place to live in for those who ignore evil, and anti-Americansim is the current trend - and of course, it is both safe and even enjoyable for Canadians, or for anyone, who wants to avoid living in the real world.

But ignoring reality never pays in the long run.
Well, we're not blaming Americans for being directly involved in 9/11, we're blaming the foreign policies of the United States over a period of years. Such a case can be made by the fact that the CIA trained Osama and installed the Taliban to fight against the Solviets. I blame the US's attempts to 'democratize' the world through the use of cultural assimilation as a catalyst. I would never blame the people themselves for being the cause of any attack, as the people themselves had little involvement in overall policy. I don't think of Canadians as anti-american, and I don't think of this as anti-american, you can feel free to deny this as anti-american to avoid a rational discourse, but I don't like it when americans say something is anti-american to end all possible disscussion.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

Com'on--this is a poll from Quebec. The province in Canada that wanted to go separate & go "French", yet receive all of the benefits of being Canadian. What can we expect from a poll out of Quebec? I met many Canadians that were outraged over that.

I believe most Canadians cheer the U.S on in the fight against terror, & admire us for our courage & stamina. And I also believe the majority wish they had a government & people that would join us in the fight.
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Well, we're not blaming Americans for being directly involved in 9/11, we're blaming the foreign policies of the United States over a period of years. Such a case can be made by the fact that the CIA trained Osama and installed the Taliban to fight against the Solviets. I blame the US's attempts to 'democratize' the world through the use of cultural assimilation as a catalyst. I would never blame the people themselves for being the cause of any attack, as the people themselves had little involvement in overall policy. I don't think of Canadians as anti-american, and I don't think of this as anti-american, you can feel free to deny this as anti-american to avoid a rational discourse, but I don't like it when americans say something is anti-american to end all possible disscussion.

You know that is real easy for you to say. Canada never joins in on any peace discussions, or nuclear talks. Canada never gets involved in anything. Canada doesn't even have ships that transport your own militia. Why? It's very comfortable to sit in the shadow of the greatest super power on earth, & while under the protection of the United States. Yet you still chose to criticise our efforts at the same time.

What gives you the right to critisize the United States & our foreign policy?

After all, Canada doesn't even have a foreign policy, except that if they get in trouble, call the United States.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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You know that is real easy for you to say. Canada never joins in on any peace discussions, or nuclear talks. Canada never gets involved in anything. Canada doesn't even have ships that transport your own militia. Why? It's very comfortable to sit in the shadow of the greatest super power on earth, & while under the protection of the United States. Yet you still chose to criticise our efforts at the same time.

What gives you the right to critisize the United States & our foreign policy?

After all, Canada doesn't even have a foreign policy, except that if they get in trouble, call the United States.
Psh, Canada has long been a member of the Global stage, many of our forces are in Afghanistan as peacekeepers, we engage constantly in meetings with NATO, the G8, and many other non govermental orginizations. We do have a military, known as the unified Canadian Forces, which has 1,400 armoured vehicles, 34 combat vessels, and 861 aircraft, that said we are not nearly as powerful as the United States. We also appear to have a much warmer relation to the countries of Europe then what the US seems to have, whenever I travel, I always see Americans claiming to be Canadians, so as to cover their nations own heavy handed policies. You presume that you could do without us, but I must remind you that Canada is the US's biggest trading partner, the US's leading supplier of oil, and many other things. What gives you the right to critisize my country?
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

Oh...yippee

Another Canadian blaming America for everything...will wonders ever cease.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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Oh...yippee

Another Canadian blaming America for everything...will wonders ever cease.
kind of like europe when you commit to nothing it is pretty easy to talk shit
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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Oh...yippee

Another Canadian blaming America for everything...will wonders ever cease.
I am not blaming america for anything, I like the States, I was raised there and my parents live there now, I just don't like the foreign policy of the USA, and I don't like it's blowhard arrogance.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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I am not blaming america for anything, I like the States, I was raised there and my parents live there now, I just don't like the foreign policy of the USA, and I don't like it's blowhard arrogance.
Arrogance...you mean like what you are doing in this thread?
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Arrogance...you mean like what you are doing in this thread?
wait dude its ok to be arrogant when you once again commit to nothing
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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Arrogance...you mean like what you are doing in this thread?
Hmmm... no it appears you have hopped on the bandwagon, as you have strayed from the subject to attack my credibility. Oh well, God Save the Queen.
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

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Taken from http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/07092006/...ame-u-s-9.html, thoughts? I think that this clearly shows that the US needs to review it's international policies. I personally think that this is quite correct.
Apparently the canadians are smarter that we are (as a group) Tho since before the Iraq war, I have been saying the same thing. in fact, later on Bin Laden admitted that fact
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Re: Canadians blame US foreign policy for 9/11

You know this might be treason to say this because I am an American, but there may be a little truth in what they say. For the most part I agree with US foriegn policy, but it is not known for being focused on the long term.
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