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Old 10-06-2006
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Re: Elections Belgium

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Besides, Vlaams belang is a conservative party like the republican party in the US.
That is some insult to the American Republicans. These people still take great pride in the role of the US forces in defeating the Nazis in WWII while the historical roots of the Vlaams Belang lie precisely in the collaboration of some Flemish with the Nazis.

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We are not Nazi's like SPa, Spirit, Groen, VLD.... .
LOL
How typically nationalistic. You really consider Flanders to be the navel of the universe, do you? For the benefit of the reader:
SPa is a typical social democrat party, Groen an environmentalist party, VLD are the classical liberals (European sense) and Spirit is a little, hard-to-classify party that is primarily based on the charisma of one person amongst elderly ladies.
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Yeah... first, such numbers are always highly suspect to me since they only add and add and add without thinking what they add... ,
second yoou forget about the money that you get back, just by having access to the market dude that's thousands of jobs and billions of euros.

If the people of flanders think though that they should get independant then go ahead and you will find an isolated and impoverished country. God, those right wing nuts really drive me crazy...

These numbers are calculaded by the state and banks.
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That is some insult to the American Republicans. These people still take great pride in the role of the US forces in defeating the Nazis in WWII while the historical roots of the Vlaams Belang lie precisely in the collaboration of some Flemish with the Nazis.
So what? You find in each political party in Belgium people that collaborated with the Nazis. Does that mean that these party's are Nazi-party's? NO.


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How typically nationalistic. You really consider Flanders to be the navel of the universe, do you? For the benefit of the reader:
SPa is a typical social democrat party, Groen an environmentalist party, VLD are the classical liberals (European sense) and Spirit is a little, hard-to-classify party that is primarily based on the charisma of one person amongst elderly ladies.[/quote]

Spa: Fraude, corruption, ........
Groen: They gas there own people (Mortsel), corruption,....
VLD: Do anything for power, If they say A, they decide B,....
Spirit: Nobody likes Bert Bleiter ( Bert Weener), Hell, for what do they stand ?

Flanders isn't the navel of the world, yes we are peacefull seperatists. Every population has it's right for a independant state.
Is it wrong to be a nationalist, I'm proud to be Flemish and I hope that Flanders one day will be an independant Nation.
I'm a conservative, I don't like progressive people that want to change everything. If something is good, you don't change it.
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Re: Elections Belgium

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Spa: Fraude, corruption, ........
Groen: They gas there own people (Mortsel), corruption,....
VLD: Do anything for power, If they say A, they decide B,....
Spirit: Nobody likes Bert Bleiter ( Bert Weener), Hell, for what do they stand ?
The point was that nobody here KNOWS these parties. (let alone Bert Anciaux).
If fraude and corruption are synonymous to Nazism, the whole word is Nazi
So the environmentalists of Groen 'gas their own people'?
What you meant to say is that the -green- mayor of Mortsel has been incapable of closing down an environmentally detrimental plant because it's not her jurisdiction.

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Is it wrong to be a nationalist, I'm proud to be Flemish and I hope that Flanders one day will be an independant Nation.
I'm a conservative, I don't like progressive people that want to change everything. If something is good, you don't change it.
If you were conservative and peacefully nationalist, you would vote CD&V -NVA. Those are their trademark. Yet you choose Vlaams Belang. I wonder why. What are your views on racism, integration, immigration ?
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Curious what Americans think about these elctions?
I tend to agree with WOI that you will not find many Americans responding to your questions. However being inquisative, but admitedly with little in the way of knowledge on this topic before tonight, I did some searching. Couple of things to ponder.

First researching the Vlaams Belang I found references to its admiration of the neocons in the US and specifically the Emterprise Institute and Heratige Foundation. I have yet to see either the Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute call for full and unconditional amnesty for people convicted for collaboration with Nazi Germany after WWII. Moreover it seems to me that the immigration poliices are different as well. From what I can gather Vlaams Belang want to force all economic immigrant who do not assimilate into Flemish culture and society to leave the area. American conservatives, even Tancredo, are only calling for the strengthening of the border and the removal of some of the illegals in this country, and that only applies to those here illegally. No American party that has any credence at all is calling for immigrants to be removed if they fail to assimilate into US society. We have far to much self confidence to worry about that.Moreover the only reason you hear for calls to make English the national language is because of the illegal issue. Once that has been addressed those calls will end.

I noted the the party wants to include Brussles into Flanders. Good luck with that considering 81% of the Brussels population is French speaking. Would they all be considered economic immigrants and subject to removal if they failed to change their language, which is what I assume they mean by assimilation. The party calls for much closer ties to Holland, while Vlaams Blok called for outright association with Holland before its demise.

Frankly I really don't care if Flanders becomes independant or not, it really will not affect me much either way. I do not see it happening though, but hey good luck I guess. One suggestion though. I really would not use Pat Buchanan as a source of inspiration were I you.
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Republic =Socialistic ????????

France, USA,Switzerland,... Socialistic countries ????????????????????

Def Republic: a republic is a state or country that is led by people whose political power is based on principles that are not beyond the control of the people of that state or country:

Besides, Vlaams belang is a conservative party like the republican party in the US. We are not Nazi's like SPa, Spirit, Groen, VLD.... .

The only Nationalism we can identify with is Flemish-Nationalisme.
Consider the nature of the republic. The sovereignty of the republic is vested in the people as a collective, together they chose a Head of State. As a citizen of a republic, you are a part of the state itself.

In the monarchy, on the other hand, the sovereignty is vested in the monarch, one single individual. He or she is the Head of State by birthright. As a citizen of a monarchy, you are a customer of the state, of its services, not a part of the state itself.

The republic is a collective form of government, while the monarchy is a private form of government.

If you consider the history of Switzerland and France, you know that the Swiss and French republics started as very radical political solutions. The USA was also radical from the start. The Swiss, French, and American societies are not socialistic, but their form of government is.
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