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Alex · #**136** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

and the ass hat award goes to.......

gruckiii · #**137** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

Pot Kettle Black
Cuban is one of the most censored countries in the world.
Cuba law tightens internet access
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3425425.stm

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A new law coming into force on Saturday makes it impossible for many Cubans to dial up the internet from their home telephone lines.

The move has been criticised by the human rights group Amnesty International.

Cuba says that, given its limited resources, it needs to ensure that the internet is primarily used for the social good.

...
Amnesty International says this is an attempt to shield Cubans from alternative views.

Its very hard to buy a computer there.. it requires a permit from the government to buy one. You cant connect to the net from home.. only from goverment owned cyber-cafees, which restrict your internet acess from sites by former Cubans and cost $3 for 30 minutes.. and the average citiczen makes $15 a month.

Yep keep living your paradise, were not interested.

y

Meridious · #**138** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Analyst

There are two options - all those counrtries which have US nukes close to their borders must have nukes as well.
Or USA should withdraw all its weapons to inside of its own borders, which is actually a normal situation ... who has authorized the siting of the nukes to other countries. And USA is the only country violating that principle. As a facist country, this is not acceptable for the international community.

According to you.

Thankfully, that is not how it actually is.....is it? (That is a rhetorical question. I call your sracasm and raise you one rhetorical question).

Slon · #**139** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Calvin X

Are you claiming that the guerilla fighters supported by the US during the Soviet occupation conducted a terrorist campaign? I recall quite a bit a news about their attacks on the Soviet and puppet goverment military forces, but I don't recall that there was a concerted effort to target the civilian population. Perhaps you could provide some link to back up this claim?

I did not specifically follow what they did. The point is that they are now demonized by the US. Back then, they were portrayed as heroes and freedom fighters. My problem with banning groups that are named "terrorists" by the State is just that: they are often willing to call anyone who opposes them "terrorists" and anyone fighting for something they support "freedom fighters."

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Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters, and the 1988 Rambo III portrayed them as heroic. This connection is ironic, in light of the future turn of events in which many of the same men would end up as a major threat to the United States. This sort of blowback, in which a state helped to create a force to fight another state, only to have that force turn against them, was seen earlier in the 20th century, e.g., the German support for the Bolshevik underground in Russia which led to a Soviet Union and the eventual occupation of East Germany by the Red Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

In a sense, US colonists used terror tactics against civilians, also.

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The Peggy Stewart was a brig owned by Anthony Stewart and James Dick, two Annapolis merchants, and named for Stewart's daughter. It regularly carried tea between London and Annapolis and was loaded with 2,320 pounds of tea when it arrived on October 15, 1774. Anthony Stewart ordered the captain to quietly land the ship, pay the tea tax, and unload. However, local residents quickly became unhappy that Stewart intended to pay the tax. Stewart did pay but, in an attempt to avoid a confrontation, he issued a handbill on October 17, distancing himself from the ship's cargo and asking other citizens to allow the ship to unload peacefully.

Burning of the ship

Annapolis residents were not appeased by Stewart's decision and on October 19, an angry crowd gathered near the Maryland State House and demanded that Stewart either burn his ship and cargo completely or be hanged. Stewart attempted to compromise, agreeing to burn the tea and publicly apologize if the crowd would allow him to unload the remainder of his cargo. Although a majority of citizens agreed to Stewart's offer at a hastily arranged public meeting, a small group vowed to burn the ship anyway.

When this group threatened to hang Stewart if he interfered with their plans, Stewart personally set the Peggy Stewart on fire, leading the crowd to cheer in delight at their success. Fearing further retribution after the burning, Stewart fled to England and eventually Nova Scotia. Despite the significant financial loss he sustained, Stewart remained wealthy until his death in 1783, at which time his possessions still included 1200 acres (1.87 square miles or around 4.86 square km) of land in Maryland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Peggy_Stewart

For instance. Some of the things they did were rather bad. I really don't care what you call them. I call the terrorists, irregulars, whatever just because that is the popular word and people know what I am talking about when I use it. Just don't apply special standards to those that are "on your side" and change it while expecting us to trust your unadulterated judgement.

Meridious · #**140** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

/chuckle

goober · #**141** (**permalink**) 10-15-2006

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

They are not censored.

If someone wanted to broadcast them in such a way that they derived no financial benefit from it, they would be free to do so.

The law - a law passed long before Bush - says that companies in the US cannot conduct business with terrorist organizations.

If Al Mansar wanted to provide their feed for free to a US station, who then broadcast it for free, there would be no problem.

Matt

Doesn't this violate the 1st amendment?
I know people who buy artwork in Cuba, they pay for it, and bring it into the US to sell. All legal and above board, they got a ruling that said, that while trade in goods and services with Cuba is prohibited, art is expression, and expression is protected by the 1st amendment.

Wouldn't the news be expression?
It's certainly the press, and the press is protected, I would think that the prohibition on paying for the feed is a violation of the freedom of the press since it effectively blocks the publication of the information.

laca · #**142** (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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Originally Posted by gruckiii

Pot Kettle Black
Cuban is one of the most censored countries in the world.
Cuba law tightens internet access
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3425425.stm

Its very hard to buy a computer there.. it requires a permit from the government to buy one. You cant connect to the net from home.. only from goverment owned cyber-cafees, which restrict your internet acess from sites by former Cubans and cost $3 for 30 minutes.. and the average citiczen makes $15 a month.

Yep keep living your paradise, were not interested.

y

Ah, Ah, Ah another cheep, cheep, cheep CIA zombie propaganda.

MattLarson · #**143** (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

Three pages later, and it seems that the manner in which "Cuba helps discriminated young Americans" is by inventing sappy stories about it for internet posting.

Interesting. Not too helpful, but interesting.

Matt

MattLarson · #**144** (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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Originally Posted by goober

Doesn't this violate the 1st amendment?

I don't think so, for the reason I cited.

The network's product is not banned in this country. The law only says that Al-Mansar, as a subsidiary of the terrorist organization Hezbollah, cannot benefit in any financial way from the broadcast of their reporting.

Matt

chassisman · #**145** (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

Ah, Ah, Ah another cheep, cheep, cheep CIA zombie propaganda.

So why not make believers of us all and post a totally anti-Castro rant just to show us you have nothing to fear ? I challenge you to post it, but I'm sure you are afraid to do so. If not, start a thread titled " I am oppressed by Fidel Castro" and make anti Castro posts daily for at least a week.
On this end, if you'd like to see Anti Bush web sites, just pick one.
You talk the talk, now lets see you walk the walk..............

MattLarson · #**146** (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

Ah, Ah, Ah another cheep, cheep, cheep CIA zombie propaganda.

Yeah, the CIA controls the British media. Gotcha

Matt

laca · #**147** (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Analyst

Oh - did they do that? This is a very serious CRIME - to transport warheads out from a country close to the independent country of USA.

Is this a sigle event or do you know if some other countries could have transported their warheads to other countries, too?

Such countries should be called "AXES OF EVEL" and immediatelly bombed with nukes. To transport warheads to places close to other countries cannot be justified and serious steps should be taken.

Damn - transporting warheads to other countries....

And "communist" - could it be possible to prepare a bomb which will immediatelly explode where somebody is mentioning this word. It is like a deadly virus. All who are mentioning this word should be killed. This word means that also poor people will benefit from the country's economy. So it is a biggest sinn in the world - I am a ritch guy, but I need more money and there is not enough for poor ones, too.

The historical fact is that when Cuban crises happened USA already has their nukes in Turkey close to Russian border.

laca · #**148** (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Non Sequitur

You have it exactly. We responded to defend our nation.

It surprise me, usually you respond to attack and conquer others.

Gort · #**149** (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

Did laca ever respond to Matts question as to why people put so sea in rickety boats to escape Paradise, or why they were not simply allowed to walk out of Paradise in the first place?

Sorry but this thread has gotten so long and filled with such crap I did not read all the way through it.

Gort · #**150** (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

laca I know you are there and I know you have read this thread again, the profiles section is so informative. Answer Matts question. Otherwise you just expose yourself as so much hot air.

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