[quote=laca;829776]Ah but the difference is the control you see in the US is only in your mind, while the control in Cuba is real. I understand that for you telling between fantasy and reality is hard to do, but try harder.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Hey !!, leave him alone in this odd fantasy he's somehow created.

I was enjoying the reading of this weird shit

You take an isolated incident and turn it into a country-wide phenomenon! How absolutely 'Kissinger' of you! You are using the same tactics that you are accusing the US of. Well, you are certainly proving the old adage that 'we become what we hate'!

Did you think to look up the Australia-wide marches denouncing the actions of the few in Cronulla? No, because that wouldn't suit your agenda of hate. I doubt very much that you are Cuban, probably some pitiful, lowly paid agent provocateur put here to foment discord. Piss off!

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Virgil

No I actually think he is Cuban, he isn't intelligent enough to be an agent provocateur since that takes a little more sublty than he has so far displayed. In fact I am not even sure he would know what that term means.

I love it when these guys come here with the rhetoric they do. What worries me are the ones who understand that this type of rhetoric simply earns ridicule and amusement from its intended target. It is the ones who are in fact more subtle that have a better track record of accomplishing their goal. I mean we have had Joao, Eurosocialist, Phillip, Kinetic, and now this guy. Each of them has been ridiculed and have marginalized themselves through their rhetoric.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

To my shame I actually replied to a few of Kinetic's statements, but please don't hold that against me, I'm new to this forum.

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Lucky is he (sic) who has been able to understand the causes of things
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This has to be one of the funniest threads ever. Americans are fuckin' funny!!

Jason - those alternatively dressed Americans that stiffy mentioned - those would be the hippies that MattLarson kills with his guns.

[quote=Thane;829802]opinions CAN be wrong or misguided.



Cool. I'm looking forward to being liberated and re-educated by Cubans. But of course, I'm a GWAR fan

Did you ever read history?
Do you know that You’ve already lost one war with Cuba. Do you want another defeat?
Anyway when we liberate you from your capitalist dictatorship we will reeducate you and you will be less arrogant and learn more from your unsuccessful past.

LOL

dumb question.

economic 'refugees' flock from many countries to the US, Canada, to western Europe and to Australia. They also flock to the more affluent of their neighbouring countries.

These are not people who are particularly disadvantaged in their own country - but like all of us - want to take advantage of the best economic opportunities they can get their hands on.

Cuba - because of sanctions - is a country where economic opportunities to more than a fairly basic standard (despite good health care and education) - are simply not available to most of the population. for a lot people ... thats enough to risk life and limb.

Sure - there are negatives in Cuba apart from the impact of economic sanctions ... but compared to Florida for example, there are also many other positives ... lower crime rate, no serious drug problem, and a strong sense of community.

what you value most - the opportunity to 'get ahead' financially, or the relative stability and peace of Cuba - will depend on personality.

yes. isolation does contribute to arrogance - and ignorance.

perhaps you need to consider that a little when pointing the finger at others .... for whatever reason, Cuba has been relatively isolated ... and some of your posts have indicated that this has impacted on your knowledge of the world.

You also could benefit from a little more modesty, and less strident criticism of the US when it appears that you really don't have much understanding.

a fine example of the ignorance I was referring to.

where on earth did you get the information that the government AND left wing parties organised a riot?

If you want to learn about Australia, there are lots of good sources that can provide accurate information. If you want any help let me know.

where is your evidence for this statement?

It has ceased to surprise me how unaware you seem to be about world history, Iaca.

By the year A.D. 1000, the writ of habeas corpus was not even invented. It was invented some centuries later in England. From that time and up until modern times, most countries haven't even had a writ of habeas corpus (or its equvalent), thus they have not had to suspend it in order to imprison citizens for indefinite periods of time.

I guess the citizens of Cuba have no right to habeas corpus, therefore the Cuban government does not need to suspend it.

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Leo McGarry: Maybe they don't and they can't add.

No, that would be Cuba.

Please, laca, swim to freedom! Join the multitudes of your countrymen who have torn free from the oppressive tyranny of Castro and breathed the sweet air of liberty.

Matt

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The United States will never officially be a military dictatorship. In order to maintain control, the people running our government will have to be able to pretend we are still a democratic republic for as long as is possible-- and after that, we'll resemble a corporate dictatorship far more than a military one.

Look at the men currently holding power now. Do you think either of them is a credible military dictator?

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