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Traveler · #**271** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

No, that would be Cuba.

Yeah like i've said Laca, how many times can you confuse Castro with Bush and Cuba with America?

Practically everything you post (no human rights, no freedom, dictatorship) and so on reffers to you guys in Cuba not us. Get it straight.

EricOKC · #**272** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

Military Commissions Act of 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...ons_Act_of_2006

For the first time since the year 1000 A.D., the US is the only country to suspend habeas corpus for its own citizens.
Probably unheard of except for Nazi Germany.

Probably this scenario could be very common shortly in USA.

YOu ought to....wait, just a second ,,,,, someone is at the door....hmmmmmmm CIA guys in black coats, wonder what this is all about...........
bang, kick, crash, smash.

Attention: Please disregard all previous messages against a leader G.W Bush.
It was all a mistake.

Everything is under control.

OK, OK Please, nothing to see here.

Good bye.

Thanks Iaca - i needed the laugh this morning.

I see the education system in Cuba is still the Gold Standard for the world....

Swoop187 · #**273** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

The United States will never officially be a military dictatorship. In order to maintain control, the people running our government will have to be able to pretend we are still a democratic republic for as long as is possible-- and after that, we'll resemble a corporate dictatorship far more than a military one.

Look at the men currently holding power now. Do you think either of them is a credible military dictator?

^^^ a sensible post.

Swoop187 · #**274** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

To all you paranoid liberals

Name one american citizen that is being held in a jail thats not getting a trial?

This applies solely to the POWs (if you want to call them that) we have now in custody. They will cause a ruckus on the streets of Baghdad so we will hold them until we are done in Iraq and then release them. Or we could just turn them over to there own governments for prompt execution? We turn these people over to there home lands governments they will be killed on general principal, you know what that principal is? “we hate terrorists and terrorism just like you, so now we are going to kill these men to prove that to you, now get off our backs”

EricOKC · #**275** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

Please don't be uncultured and don't try to patronise me.
What does give you confidence to be so arrogant?

Better question - why do you consider someone disagreeing with your factually flawed position to be arrogant?

EricOKC · #**276** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by Analyst

Oh - did they do that? This is a very serious CRIME - to transport warheads out from a country close to the independent country of USA.

Is this a sigle event or do you know if some other countries could have transported their warheads to other countries, too?

Such countries should be called "AXES OF EVEL" and immediatelly bombed with nukes. To transport warheads to places close to other countries cannot be justified and serious steps should be taken.

Damn - transporting warheads to other countries....

And "communist" - could it be possible to prepare a bomb which will immediatelly explode where somebody is mentioning this word. It is like a deadly virus. All who are mentioning this word should be killed. This word means that also poor people will benefit from the country's economy. So it is a biggest sinn in the world - I am a ritch guy, but I need more money and there is not enough for poor ones, too.

Yeah it really did happen. Here in the US we referred to it as the Cuban Missle Crisis. Perhaps you've heard of it? During the early 60's, we came periously close to all out nuclear war. Went to Defcon 2 a couple times because of this.

Sucre · #**277** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

The main reason for arrogance is an isolation. People are usually isolated either from the society or from the rest of the world because of their personal choice. Once you are isolated you don’t compare yourself with others building unfounded impression about your superiority. So you are arrogant because you are isolated then you are isolated because you are arrogant and so on. To come out from this dark circle you need certain level of intellectual and spiritual capacity to bring you back to common sense of modesty and acceptance of your human imperfection.

“ Ignorance and arrogance are twins they always walk together”
Lao Tzu

Since you are Cuban, you are very isolated (lonesome island, censoreship, poverty ...) and must therefore be very ignorant, no ?

Korimyr the Rat · #**278** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

To all you paranoid liberals

Name one american citizen that is being held in a jail thats not getting a trial?

For now, the Act limits the suspension of habeus corpus only to non-US citizens. This law cannot be used to detain American citizens, by its wording... I checked this. And double-checked it, because I had to be absolutely certain.

What worries me, though, is that when American citizens are detained-- whether illegally or legally by a new law-- we still won't be able to name them. We'll never know about it, unless we find ourselves joining them.

Traveler · #**279** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

If American universities are the best in the world why Americans are so ignorant ?

We're not ignorant its just we don't have to worry about the rest of the world the way the rest of the world has to worry about us!

We couldn't give a rat's ass what goes on somewhere that doesn't affect us but every single nation in the world has no choice other than to pay attention and toe in line to what our government does, because we're truly the greatest, supreme most glorious power on the planet.

The problem is people like you see us as ignorant; but only because you don't admit to yourselves the supremecy, glory and might of our great land.

Traveler · #**280** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

To others, ignore my post, it was only aimed at Laca.

MattLarson · #**281** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by laca

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/

In accordance with this ranking five top universities are in USA. If it is true I have to ask a question:

If American universities are the best in the world why Americans are so ignorant ?

I guess the more relevant question would be if Cuba is so great, why isn't there a Cuban institution atop the entire list? Or even on the list?

Hmmmmm.

Matt

iamwhatiseem · #**282** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Traveler · #**283** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

I guess the more relevant question would be if Cuba is so great, why isn't there a Cuban institution atop the entire list? Or even on the list?

Hmmmmm.

Or maybe why our universities have people from round the world all the time trying to apply for study Visa's to them (well technically i guess its the state department they apply to) and why it we have a higher influx of foreigh nationals coming to study here than any other nation in the Western world.

DGG · #**284** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

For now, the Act limits the suspension of habeus corpus only to non-US citizens. This law cannot be used to detain American citizens, by its wording... I checked this. And double-checked it, because I had to be absolutely certain...

You also have Article I, section 9, paragraph two of the federal Constitution, which reads: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

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What worries me, though, is that when American citizens are detained-- whether illegally or legally by a new law-- we still won't be able to name them. We'll never know about it, unless we find ourselves joining them.

This is a risk anyone, anywhere, is always under, isn't it?

muspell · #**285** (**permalink**) 10-21-2006

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Originally Posted by DGG

This is a risk anyone, anywhere, is always under, isn't it?

Not by law, no.

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

For now, the Act limits the suspension of habeus corpus only to non-US citizens. This law cannot be used to detain American citizens, by its wording... I checked this. And double-checked it, because I had to be absolutely certain.

It doesn't say "so shoot them bastards until they're dead" in a declaration of war either. What the bill does is suspend ordinary lawmaking for anyone deemed to be enemy combatants. I.e, it can be legal to detain anyone, regardless of citizenship, if the administration deems it's necessary. Why they wished to add an extra passage on suspending rights for aliens separately in the bill, is a testament to what kind of lawmakers you have in Washington about now, I guess. And, perhaps, that such people would already be in a separate register, and therefore make it problematic to persecute them without cause on the book. For a citizen that will not be a problem, since they already can be detained under criminal law, etc.

Not that the Bush- administration is going to start whisking terrorists off the streets, of course.

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