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Which the White House can easily argue is currently the case-- and the Constitution does not seem to specify who gets to make that determination in the first place.

Certainly... but the more permissive the law is in this regard, the easier it would be for the persons responsible to get away with it. With proper Constitutional protections, the chances of this kind of action being noticed-- and a hue and cry being raised-- are much higher.

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If that is the case why are conditions in Mexico, where there are no sanctions and a lot of oil, not all that much better for the common citizen. This isn't a result of sanctions, although I will not argue that they are shortsighted and do not help. THis is a case of a repressive regime that thinks it is the governments responsibility to control everything and is more concerned about its continuation than the well being of the people they govern. To some degree that is also the reason for simular conditions in Mexico.

ANd by the way it is also for the first time starting to rear its head in the White House.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

More cowbell, got to have more cowbell.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Whatever it will look like, it's long overdue

...Then again, I need more Scotch. Goodnight.

Oh My GOD! Lock up your daughters, lock up your wife.
Lock up the back door and run for your life!!

What a riddiculous overreaction.

And I am as much, if not more, opposed to Bush being in power and opposed to the war, but every single post talking about
CIA agents coming to the front door and taking people away without probable cause or their Miranda rights being read is absurd
and a blatant overreaction.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

Sorry. I didn't realize that. They are foreigners. Brown people at that. They are less than human so we can just lock them up forever and answer to knowbody. Round them up I say.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Whether or not the people are Brown is a moot point. I can't believe that it took this long for someone to claim racism! That claim is bullshit. I don't support the war. 100% wish our troops were back home. If they have to be there, I support every measure taken to ensure their safety.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

good point. that Cuba is not far worse off MAY be because of government policies, despite sanctions. I still think there are negatives to this degree of control however.

But mentioning Mexico is important - if we look at the number of Mexican illegals crossing your borders, it tends to suggest that communist regimes are not the only reason why people would choose to leave their homeland and live somewhere else.

I never said it was because Castro was a communist. All I said was that he cared much less about his peoples welafare than staying in power. That was the tie in with Mexico by the way, but theire it is not a person staying in power like Castro, but parties like the PRI first or PAN that drives the corruption and makes life harder for the people they are supposed to represent.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

I had a friend that was a "end of the world" "short wave radio" kind of guy.

He used to (pre-911) talk about how "somebody" was going to take over the United States. I would give him lots of arguements why it wasn't possible.

Basically I thought of it this way...... There was just no way somebody could make that many changes to our government, intelligence community, military, and constitution.

I'm not so sure anymore.

For those who think these small changes and revisions to our laws, our government, military, homeland security, chain of commands, etc are no big deal ask yourself this question. How else would you do it if that was your intent? These changes would have to be small or everyone would agree there was something wrong.

If they are just small changes, then everyone will just argue about it, but no body gets alarmed. I'm guessing if there was some intent there would probably be lots of radio hosts and politicians who would claim it was unpatriotic to challenge the government and the President would probably say something like "don't listen to all these conspiracy theories. Thank God we haven't heard any of that yet.

My point is that their lives are not treated with the value of American's lives. We are all humans.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Since when are all Americans white? And do you really think Americans do not believe the lives of Iraqis have worth? It seems to me you are making accusations of racism (a serious charge) without sufficient cause.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

Americans do not seem to value them as much. I never actually said the word racism. More like Xenophobia.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Of course we are all humans, but a governments main priority is to protect the interests of its ctiizens, and while it may sound horrible, I believe that holding and interrogating terrorists is a step hat the government has made towards protecting its citizens.


... Jesus Christ I sound like a conservative lol

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin