I agree depending on your definition of interrogation and how long the holding can go without a trial or some accountability.

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

It is problematic whether it is Castro or the sanctions that have made things hard for the people of Cuba. It could be said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was disastrous for Cuba. It is hard to pinpoint one particular 'cause' as the whole situation is very complex.

I do agree with daisym that it would be economic refugees rather than political who come to the US.

Unfortunately, I know little of the state of things in Mexico, except that there appears to be several problems regarding human rights, especially in the area of wealthy land-holders and rural farmers and workers. Sad to say, this problem appears to be rife throughout much of the rural areas around the world. Agri-business versus traditional farming families.

This will have to be addressed soon, as it is a problem which touches on all of our lives, no matter where we live.

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Virgil

In my experience, people tend to be self-serving and I haven't found that this changes for some reason within gov't.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Remember Reagan?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Yeh. Very similar criteria like in Germany in !930 is. And we know what happened after this.
Only difference today in America Jewish population swapped its position with others.

Interrogation = Anything up to the point of physical harm

Time Limit = When they can formally be charged, or when they are deemed not a menace to the safety of American lives. My mother alway told me watch who you hang with, because "guilty by association" is a real thing. You don't want to be held and interrogated, don't affiliate with people who threaten our citizen's safety, and if you do, prepare to have your rights breached, because the U.S. Government should care about one thing: the rights of its citizens.

You may argue with me that the government would then be breaking the rights that they have promised their own citizens, but it is not our government's job to protect the rights of people in the Middle East. As much as our current president wants to paint America as fighters for democracy, we shouldn't be. Washington said it best in his farewell adress: Isolation is the best and safest policy. Full isolation is not smart, and economic isolation is downright stupid. But I can count the instances on my left hand of when a government is justified in stepping into the political affairs of another country. (Pol Pot, Hitler, etc.)

Saddam Hussein was just as afraid of Al Qaeda as we were, and we removed him. he was the only thing keepin extremists in check, and we have removed that barrier. I will probably get no support here, but restore him to power and bring our troops home. The U.S. Government screwed up royally this time by stepping into political affairs in the Middle East.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

Castro was a huge improvement over Batista as far as the masses are concerned, but he's a dictator nonetheless.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Only one difference between your racist prime minister Howard and Ms. Pauline Hanson was that while she was talking he was walking which means everything what she said he did.

This is factual explanation for you and others who are ignorant about this subject

Anglo-Saxons genocide on Australian Aborigines

This article is in memory of 17 years old Aboriginal boy Thomas Hickey the latest victim in Aborigines struggle for freedom. In February this year he was IMPILED on the street fence (in cruel barbaric middle age manner) by Anglo-Saxon police in Sydney suburb Redefine in front of many witnesses.
For this crime none has been prosecuted so far.


How Australia was established
Australia was colonized by manly convicted criminals (convicts) expelled from England. Relatively small number of them, we have to admit, were political manly Irish prisoners who tried to liberate Ireland from English and Scottish occupation. In doing such rational step England wanted to achieve two goals:

1. To get rid of its own criminal population
2. To destroy Australian native population in order to reinforce its colonial power and to satisfy appetites of early capitalistic economy.

As soon as convicts arrived they were encouraged to eliminate as much as they could native aboriginal people with very well planed methods which cold be simply described as ? rational, planed, systematic genocide.
How they did this genocide
They applied typical rational Anglo-Saxon method of attacking and killing others the same one as they apply today I would call it “The principal of minimum energy”.
Everything to be done with maximum help of others, quietly and with minimum effort.

At the beginning Aborigines tried to resist occupation by several uprisings which were suppressed with indiscriminate massive massacres of men, women and children.
Practically these events have never been recorded in Australian history and every one who tried to disclose and historically analyze those events was prevented to do so or even prosecuted.
First of all Aborigines were not considered as humans by Anglo-Saxons who treated them as any other native animal.
For example the most popular sport for long period of time was organizing haunting aborigines like rabbets and foxes, as used to be popular in mother England.
No one is sure if they were eaten after killing as a well.

Method of indiscriminate killing for two hundred years until today.

– In 50’s and 60’s British performed Nuclear testing in the Western Australia on the territory where native people lived. Those tests killed thousands of aborigines (Refer books of S. Wonger, Sreten Boskovic, born Yugoslav, who described these horrific events in his novels. He was so moved by suffering of Aborigines people that took aboriginal name S.Wonger went to live with them and wrote many books about their saga. His books became very popular all around the Europe but practically forbidden in Australia). Many years after tests the carbonized bodies of aborigines children, and mothers with babies in their arms could be found in the area where the tests were performed.

- Killing Aboriginal political and other prisoners in the jails all around Australia. The rate of "suicides" of Aboriginals detained in Australian prisons is about twenty times bigger then Anglo-Saxon prisoners.

- Individual killing by the police in public
15 of February 2004, 17 years old Aboriginal boy Thomas Hickey was IMPILED on the street fence (in cruel barbaric middle age manner) by the Anglo-Saxon police in front of many witnesses. This event triggered the latest Aborigines uprising on the street of Sydney suburb Redefine, where 50 people were seriously injured in the clash with the police. Australian Anglo-Saxon media described this uprising as “Hooligans behavior of drug addicts”

Killing by deliberately poisoning and denying basic health services.
International health organizations describe state of health of Aborigines as “worst than in any third world country”.
Majority of money that formally Australian government “invests” in aboriginal health is spent on luxury life of Government bureaucrats, corrupted Anglo-Saxon nurses and doctors for doing nothing.
For example Aborigines have 10 times higher death rate of new born children then Anglo-Saxon population.
In spite of on going protests, uranium mines (The most famous Jabaluka mining) poison waters and land, where Aborigines live, causing cancers and other mortal diseases.

- Killing souls and identity by cruel assimilation or “improving the race”
Shortly after occupation convicts were encourage to rape as many as possible aborigines women as a part of "breeding program" in other to produce whiter population, the convicts called it “organized free fucking”.
Large number of aborigines children were forcefully taken from their mothers as a part of, assimilation program, in order to forget and loose their identity.

They were taken in the catholic and protestant religious institutions where perverted, monks and priests, sadistically raped many of them both girls and boys. Today in Australia they call them “Lost Generation”.
Until sixties Australian aborigines did not officially exist without having basic human right to vote on their own land. For long period of time, going to Sydney suburb Redfern to watch Aborigines was more popular than going to Zoo to see animals.
At that time Australia, together with America and England, furiously criticized and demonized Russia, as a “ non democratic”, ”evil empire” and so on.


Who is responsible for genocide of Aboriginal people in Australia?

Those who organized horrific crimes and those who committed them both came from Mother England. They were instructed and ordered to kill by English Royalties and high ranked politicians and generals, primarily famous Queen Victoria. We know this for sure because the organizers and executioners were proudly honored by lots of medals and many convicts released as a gesture of Queen’s generosity.
Today situation is little bit different. Australia has mixed but steel the most influential Anglo-Saxon population. Terrible shrewd game is playing at the moment. As we know Australia is still British colony (Governor General as a Queen-s representative has power to remove Australian prime minister, what for example, happened in 70s when prime minister Goth Whitlam was sect by Queen).
Australian media describes process of reconciliation as “Apologizing EUROPIEN Australians to Aboriginal people” or “Apologizing WHITE Australians to Aboriginal people”. No one mentions those who committed crimes, English or Anglo-Saxons, or Queen of England in “process of reconciliation”.
Newspaper Sydney Morning Herald even managed to find one French, two Dutch and one German among hundred of thousand Anglo-Saxons in British army at the time when Aborigines land was conquered (Ah poor Germans they can be blamed for everything). This “famous historical discovery” by corrupted journalists was enough to blame. The whole Europe and white population of the entire world for ANGLOSAXONS AND QUEEN OF ENGLAND CRIMES.
How their statements are manipulative and shrewd we can see from the following example. When they talk about Second World War they are quite specific in saying “JEPENIES invited Australia”. Everyone knows that would be nonsense and very offensive if someone change this statement saying “ASIANS invaded Australia”.

Conclusion
Let’s conclude:
Europeans, Germans, Italians, French and non Anglo-Saxon Australian population are not responsible for the crimes committed on aboriginal Australians.

THE GENESIDE ON ABORIGINAL POPULACION WAS DONE BY ANGLOSAXONS CRIMINALS (CONVICTS) MANLY WITH ENGLISH AND SCOTISH ORIGIN.
THE ORDER FOR THOSE CRIMES WAS GIVEN BY THE QUENS OF ENGLAND
PRIMERALY BY QUEEN VICTORIA.

PS.
- The term Anglo-Saxon police and Anglo-Saxon army are used to emphasize the racist policy in Australian army and Police. Australian army consists of 97% and Australian police of about 93% of Anglo-Saxon members. Anglo-Saxons represent not more than 50% of the total population in Australia.
Many bright non Anglo-Saxon children, born in Australia, were rejected particularly from army because of their non Anglo-Saxon race.
This policy is designed to preserve Anglo-Saxon privileged position and political oppressive power and to prevent possible uprising of non Anglo-Saxon population.

I try to avoid criticizing people on this forum, because that only leads to unintelligent banter rather than informed discussion.

But pleaze (sic), pleaze (sic), pleaze (sic), and a million times pleaze (sic) learn how to spell and to capitalize the word "I" before you call anyone in America ignorant.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

What do you mean by physical harm? Would you define waterboarding as physical harm?

I grew up believing in innocent until proven guilty.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Why don't you try writing that in spanish ?

Waterboarding is physical harm, and its use is in my opinion is unethical and unwarranted.

Innocent until proven guilty is a novel idea and is what separates America's legal system from the rest as the best legal system there is. My point is that it is not our government's right to uphold "innocent until proven guilty" for people who are not citizens and for people who threaten our citizens' security.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

You do not know they have threatened out citizens security. In many cases we make deals with local leaders in the middle east to round up who they say are terrorist. For all you know they are political opponents of those leaders they want to make disappear.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I don't try to argue in spanish about Cuban, Spanish, or Latin American politics. In my opinion, if you are going to argue about American politics either:

A) Be an American citizen, or
B) Master the language enough so as to make a post readable.

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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and praying to a rock."
-Howard Stern

"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
-George Carlin

Laca's posts are perfectly readable.

Iaca,

Every country on earth does not have a history which is squeaky clean. Why are you defining 'Australia' by its government or rulers at the time? Do you think that everyone in Australia thinks the same as does everyone else?

Modern-day Australia has its faults, but on the whole I would live here in preference to any other country, including Cuba. As daisym has told you there are many websites which can give you more accurate, and up-to-date, information on Australia.

You refer to Pauline Hanson, yes, she was, for a short-time a member of our Parliament. However, she only served one term before being voted out. For the last few years she has not given an interview with any of the media regarding her racist propensities. On the other hand, I would say that globalism, which was felt first in the rural sector, was more to do with Hanson's rise to prominence than any inherent racism in our populace. Although, I admit that does exist.

I view myself as a 'typical Aussie', and yet I am certainly not 'anglo-saxon'. On my father's side I am German and Polish with my grandparents arriving here in 1910. On my mother's side I am Scottish and Welsh arriving in the middle of the 19thC. Four nationalities, and yet one humanity! In my extended family can be found descendents of the many nationalities who came here. Dutch, Finnish, Czechoslavakian, English, and I adore my cousin's husband who is a New Zealand Maori!

May I suggest that instead of trying to judge and insult the people in this forum you get to know us a little better? After all, many Australians have travelled to Cuba for short spells as working holiday-makers; and have paid handsomely for the privilege!

My parents raised me to judge a person by who they are, not by their nationality or skin-colour.

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Lucky is he (sic) who has been able to understand the causes of things
Virgil