What's your point? That Americans went intoi the USSR, during WWI in support of the anti-Socialists that were already in power? I have no reason to think it was a bad decision on their part. Who knows, if they had been successful in preventing the revolution, there may not have been at least 20 Million dead Russians as a result of the Bolshiviks taking control from the Czar.
I love historians that examine documents found AFTER the war and declare that the A-bomb wasn't necessary. Unfortunately, Truman didn't have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight. All he had were the facts before him.
An invasion of Japan would have cost 500,000 -1,000,000 Allied deaths and at least twice that many Japanese. The Allied Forces learned from the Battle of Iwo Jima, just a few months earlier, that the Japanese soldiers would fight to the death or commit Hari kari and NOT surrender. It was part of the code of Bushido. Much like Muslim fanatics, dying for the emperor got you a one-way ticket to paradise. The Allies also knew that the Japanese Army was being reinforced along the coastline even AFTER the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.
Incidentally, my father fought at Iwo Jima and was amongst the 700,000 Allied Forces enmassing for a November invasion of Japan. What do you think those 700,000 troops thought about the A-bomb?

Something else to consider. Had we not dropped the A-bombs and ended the war quickly, Russia would have carved out a substantial portion of northern Japan for itself and Japan, today, would be an even smaller country, probably as backwards as Russia still is today.
I don't find any of your anti-American lunacy shocking. It fits into your general ignorance of the historical context of events. You take one fact that appears to support your distorted image of the US and think that it paints the entire picture of events. It doesn't even come close.

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Our goverment and our military exsisted long before the USSR was imagined. During almost all of the Cold War our policy was containment, a inherantly defensive strategy. OUr founding priciples have nothing to do with remaking the world in our image.

Hmm. Who said anything about harm? I was asking if they are still dedicated to our destruction. And no one is denying it.

Rhetoric? If that is all it is, then, considering the price they are paying for it, maybe they should stop it. And the fact that they consider this rhetoric more important than access to the world's largest national market sort of implies that it means a lot to them.


Not if they still define themselves as our enemy. In that case the whole them/us thing just indicates a good grasp of reality.

THere, 3 questions, actually. Should read "?" after America.

Utterly ridiculous. There is a very large Latin population here by birth and descent, and that is speaking of the American citizens and legal aliens of Latin background alone. In addition to them, there are already efforts underway to legalise millions of illegal ones already here.

Insofar as having immigration restrictions, every nation has them. It is not improper discrimination to have them. In fact, it's a practical necessity.

The only 'Berlin Wall' was the one actually built by the communists you praise so they could forcibly fence in their people under their oppressive control from continuously migrating to the West by the millions as they were doing until the wall was built. They then arrested and/or shot those trying to escape over, through and under the wall.

Utterly ridiculous again and mostly improper debating tactics anyway.

This part "So in accordance with CIA and your brainwashed mind" is frivolous and warrants no further comment.

The rest of the statements have nothing to do with what I said as you know and I deny the mischaracterisation of my post. What I said is in the post I wrote. This is merely a 'strawman' set of questions and statements, the truth of which I deny anyway.

The Shannon Cuban population I know from my own eyes. I am an Irish citizen as well as a US citizen, have spent significant time in both nations, and still frequently travel back and forth between the two nations. I am familiar with the Cuban asylum community in the Shannon area and have family and friends working at Shannon Airport given the airport is a huge employer for that area where my family lives. I also have had plenty of casual interactions and acquaintances with the Cuban community there as do most people in the area. The Shannon Cubans are asylum petitioners who left the Aeroflot planes heading to Russia from Cuba or heading back to Cuba from Russia and claimed asylum to escape their situation.

Calling the Shannon Cuban community merely 'normal' 'economical migrants' is a very misleading understatement as you full well know, no more and no less than those 'normal' 'economical migrants' who risk drowning, starving, and/or dehydrating putting themselves into the Florida Straights on unseaworthy boats and makeshift rafts to get to the US.

Now, that is my story about how I know about the Shannon Cuban community and why they are there.

So, let's talk about your story, the real one that is. Stop this charade about being a Cuban when you really are from Australia. This 'laca' persona is caca.

And given Oz's restrictions and 'other issues' with immigration matters, I'd keep very mum about trolling on such things.

JP, Calvin, I have to go out today. So I don't have time to reply to you both.

I will just say that calling them documents 'found after the war' isn't an honest description. They were documents that were classified and have been subsequently de-classified.

The two of you are so inured in the patriotic mould that I never expected either you to believe something which could radically disrupt your worldview. However, I had to try for my own integrity and respect for the truth.

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Do you think the discussion about Hiroshima with you was my first prom? Hardly. I'll guarantee you that I've researched the subject 100X more than you. I've read the declassified documents from Truman and his advisors as well as the documents found in Japan after the war. All of that is moot when less than 2 weeks before the dropping of the bomb, Japan emphatically refused to surrender under the terms of the Potsdam Declaration and continued moving troops into the most likely area for Allied invasion. As they say "talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words." and Japan's actions were in preparation for an invasion of the homeland.
You may want to read a little about te code of Bushido and about how small children were being trained to fight once the Allied troops landed in Japan.

Yes, there were plenty of Japanese that wanted Japan to surrender, but they weren't the ones calling the shots. Hiro Hito was only interested in his own arse, nobody else's. He had to be beaten into submission.

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"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

Our Cuban Commie Pinko is actually a surfer dude from OZ?
"Hey, Iaca, Surf's up!!!"

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" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

So he has been pulling your legs all the time?

HA...I wondered about internet access on Cuba.

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Let's just say that most Cubans aren't online except the wealthy elite crowd.

Australian times of posting and Australian grammar and spelling being one clue, 'laca' is another. That is Spanish for 'hairspray,' which isn't something most Latino men would likely pick for a name. It's merely coincidental IMO and has some other meaning to him.

Actually it seems US and other allied forces initially erntered the USSR in WWI at the request of Trotsky and the Bolsheviks after they replaced the Mensheviks and Social Revolutionaries headed by Lvov and Kerensky. The Allies, in spite of what you read, only really sat in Murmansk and Archangel to protect their supplies.

On this point I will have to agree with you. If one is going to examine the decisions made you have to look at the information available at the time.

Actually I do not think they would have carved out much more of Japan than they have, but China and Korea would have looked differently than it does.

I don't think he is anti american, merely revising history to suit his political ideology. There is a difference.

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Actually he isn't all that well informed on the US/

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What about his IP address?

The IP address would give you the final answer, he could be a Cuban refugee though.

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Let's just say it isn't Cuban.

Cuba doesn't have refugees according to him so we have to rule that out.