I thought not

Maybe he thinks he's a Latino Warren Beatty or a metrosexual living the highlife in OZ.

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" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

So, what do you all think about a hypothetical situation where Castro starts building fiber optic cable to every home? It is possible with that type of government. Imagine all the jobs he could create by simply promoting the general welfare.

An ideal version would be to create an environmentally friendly Cuba with all the modern amenities that a modern and progressive, socialist government can provide.

Quite the opposite. 'Laca' is a tree varnish that was popularly used before aerosol sprays and other modern hair products to style hair--sort of like the shoepolish the oldtimers used to style their hair.

In pure ideology, any form of government can do that. Reality shows that socialist systems do not produce the ideological results they claim to seek because it assumes all people share a common personality not based on reality. Looking at Cuba as it is is the reality of it and what must be considered.

JP, the War of Intervention I spoke of WAS in 1919. It was AFTER the end of The Great War. I think I'll have to be a bit more alert in future. Although, I have been in a bit of pain lately. Lower back problems. Hope no-one else suffers from that, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!

It definitely wasn't 1917. The was the year of the Great October Revolution, which, according to our calendar was actually in November! <s>

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Did you read the one where it says...Now that the Soviet Union can invade us we have no choice but to surrender(or words along that line). This was written before the dropping of the bomb. Do you think you are the first to deny it when challenged? I'll leave it to you to look it up.

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By the way, did you really thing laca was genuine. He was too strident and objectionable, a fact which made me suspicious!

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Ahhh! Butch wax!
When I was a kid growing up in the 60's, my father would make my older brother and I get crew cuts every summer even though hair styles at the time were getting long. The mere thought of butch wax (the wax used to make the front hair stand up) brings a sense of horror to me to this day.
After my father's death, when I was 13, I didn't get another haircut until I graduated college 8 years later. To this very day, I still have to take antacids before going to get a haircut.

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"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

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What's your point? That Americans went intoi the USSR, during WWI in support of the anti-Socialists that were already in power? I have no reason to think it was a bad decision on their part. Who knows, if they had been successful in preventing the revolution, there may not have been at least 20 Million dead Russians as a result of the Bolshiviks taking control from the Czar.

Actually, JP when the Bolshevics took control of Russia the Czar had already abdicated. The place was a total mess. They were actually sending 12 yo boys to the front without as much as a gun to defend themselves. He offered the 'job' to his brother, but he was too smart to accept it.

So you agree that the US presence in the USSR was a good thing then?

I love historians that examine documents found AFTER the war and declare that the A-bomb wasn't necessary. Unfortunately, Truman didn't have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight. All he had were the facts before him.

See above

"see above"? What does my statement above have to do with WWI

An invasion of Japan would have cost 500,000 -1,000,000 Allied deaths and at least twice that many Japanese. The Allied Forces learned from the Battle of Iwo Jima, just a few months earlier, that the Japanese soldiers would fight to the death or commit Hari kari and NOT surrender. It was part of the code of Bushido. Much like Muslim fanatics, dying for the emperor got you a one-way ticket to paradise. The Allies also knew that the Japanese Army was being reinforced along the coastline even AFTER the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

See below

Incidentally, my father fought at Iwo Jima and was amongst the 700,000 Allied Forces enmassing for a November invasion of Japan. What do you think those 700,000 troops thought about the A-bomb?

My father fought in New Guinea. And as I've stated previously, he fought in the thick of it much like your father; a fact told to me at his funeral by his army mates. Dad discussed the funny things that happened in his war

Did your Dad ever mention being grateful that he didn't have to participate in an invasion of Japan thanks to the US' use of the A-Bomb?

Something else to consider. Had we not dropped the A-bombs and ended the war quickly, Russia would have carved out a substantial portion of northern Japan for itself and Japan, today, would be an even smaller country, probably as backwards as Russia still is today.

Perhaps, but haven't I already mentioned the dropping of the bomb was more to do with its effect on Russia than defeating Japan?


I don't find any of your anti-American lunacy shocking. It fits into your general ignorance of the historical context of events. You take one fact that appears to support your distorted image of the US and think that it paints the entire picture of events. It doesn't even come close.

Well, at least you are giving me ONE fact! By the way, being wary of the decisions made by your ruling elite, does not make me anti-American. Why are you always confusing the people of a particular country with their rulers? Good heavens! I would loathe it if anyone lumped me in with Packer, Murdoch, Howard and Beasley!


Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.


By the way, did you really thing laca was genuine. He was too strident and objectionable, a fact which made me suspicious !

I knew he was a troll, but I didn't think he was another Australian troll.

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" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

The US first landed troops in Russia in 1918, during WWI.
I feel your pain.
I've had lower back problems off and on for 25 years. My medicine cabinet was full of narcotics that I refused to take for pain. I found that heat wraps were better than drugs, but the doctors kept prescribing them...so they sit in the cabinet until the next purge. The last time I had problems, this past spring, I was told that I have a degenerative disk and will probably need surgery at some point. They'll have to bring me in on a gurney in order to get me into surgery. I saw what happened to my father after they fused 4 of his vertibrae. No thanks, I'll take the pain.
Who said 1917?

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"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

I agree that any form of government can promote the general welfare.

I think socialism can be considered an evolution in the art and science of government. All first world countries are (a form of market) socialist. However, it is my understanding that most (true) socialist countries were classified as second world countries, and not as third world countries, that do not have as much socialism in their more anarchic economies.

Socialism doesn't work because there is no incentive to work hard to better one's individual lot. That's why collective farming in the USSR was a disaster, but private farming on 1/20th of the farmland was successful.

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"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

JP, I have read where the US is the only country where the people live in a capitalist society and the big corporations live in a socialist society! <g>

It's all to do with who gets the government handouts!

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JP, Thank you for your nice words about backpain. I, too, haven't come across much that helps with the pain, except heat. So you are right on there! I wouldn't touch anti-inflammatories, even before the Vioxx tragedy.

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