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Old 11-15-2006
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Socialism doesn't work because there is no incentive to work hard to better one's individual lot. That's why collective farming in the USSR was a disaster, but private farming on 1/20th of the farmland was successful.
I wasn't referring to command economics socialism. I was referring to the market socialism of the US. Besides, one hypothesis argues that if the former USSR had invested heavily in industrial automation, instead ideology, they could overcome the negative effects of the less efficient command economics form of socialism.
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Where's laca? Bagging a few rays at the beach?
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Old 11-16-2006
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JP, I have read where the US is the only country where the people live in a capitalist society and the big corporations live in a socialist society! <g>

It's all to do with who gets the government handouts!
Have you seen the movie, 'Metropolis', by Fritz Lang? I think it a good depiction of a version of capitalism that was made possible by the industrial revolution.
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Have you seen the movie, 'Metropolis', by Fritz Lang? I think it a good depiction of a version of capitalism that was made possible by the industrial revolution.
Daniel, I haven't seen 'Metropolis', although I have heard of it. One film I have seen which graphically illustrates the 'inhuman face' of capitalism is 'Modern Times' starring Charlie Chaplin.

Before making the film Chaplin had been reading about Taylorism. Henry Ford was so enamoured of this method that he implemented the practices in his automobile factories. However, Chaplin was so appalled by the effect it was having on healthy young men, psychologically and physically that he went ahead and put it in his film. Of course, he brought out the comedy in the situation, but the basic lesson hasn't been lost. In fact, his character has a nervous breakdown, much like the real-life young men being put to work under such restrictive practices.

Talking about the industrial revolution, since its first tentative steps we working class, including our children, have been treated like useful chaff, and it's time we said, enough!

If you can't find the film, it might be an idea to buy Chaplin's autobiography!
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Where's laca? Bagging a few rays at the beach?
I doubt it, JP. The weather here has been very cold even in Sydney. We had the hottest October day on record, but this month we have snow on the hills, with hail in the valleys and on the flat.
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As with anything else, "The greatest abuse of Scientific Management has come from applying the techniques without the philosophy behind them. It is obvious from Taylor's own observations that the above discussion would be misplaced in other workers. Taylor acknowledged the potential for abuse in his methods. "The knowledge obtained from accurate time study, for example, is a powerful implement, and can be used, in one case to promote harmony between workmen and the management, by gradually educating, training, and leading the workmen into new and better methods of doing the work, or in the other case, it may be used more or less as a club to drive the workmen into doing a larger day's work for approximately the same pay that they received in the past." [17]"

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Russian Duma condemns Cuba embargo

From correspondents in Moscow
November 04, 2006 05:04am

Article from: Agence France-Presse

RUSSIAN lawmakers unanimously condemned a United States trade embargo against Cuba overnight as "a flagrant violation of human rights" and called for international help to end the blockade.

All 432 members present in the State Duma, Russia's lower house, voted in favour of the resolution which urged other world parliaments to join Moscow in condemning the sanctions and in exerting pressure on Washington.

Leading Cuban officials visiting Russia expressed their gratitude to Moscow for adopting the resolution.

"I am particularly grateful for this resolution that condemns the unacceptable and illegal trade embargo on Cuba by the United States," Ricardo Alarcon, chairman of the Cuban National Assembly (parliament), told the Duma.

The overnight resolution is similar to previous ones adopted over a decade ago which likewise condemn the US embargo imposed in 1962 after Cuban leader Fidel Castro defeated an unsuccessful CIA-backed invasion.

The trade blockade has been steadily tightened under US President George W. Bush's two terms despite overwhelming calls in the United Nations to end the sanctions.

"I thank you in the name of all Cuban people, victims of political genocide," Cuba's Ambassador to Russia, Jorge Martinez, said, reading Havana's official reaction to the Russian resolution.

"The progress of the Cuban people is a reality that no one would be able to dispute."

Castro, 80, communist Cuba's only leader for nearly five decades, handed power to his brother, Defence Minister Raul Castro, 75, before intestinal surgery in late July.

When questioned about the health of the ailing leader, Mr Alarcon said that Castro was recovering and was "in good spirits".

"He is resting a lot, but he is attentively following world events. I spoke to him last night," Mr Alarcon added.

Raul Castro welcomed Russia's Prime Minister Mikhail Fradov to Cuba in September, the first visit by a Russian leader in over 15 years and during which a series of mostly economic agreements were signed.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, economic relations between Russia and the island nation have been quite limited, in large part due to Havana's debt to Moscow, which some Russian analysts have put at US$26 billion.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,1011...0.html?from=rss

Well, i'm doing my part. I'm going to Cuba next week. I'm going to spend time and money on the beach, smoking those enormous cigars! Can't wait.
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As with anything else, "The greatest abuse of Scientific Management has come from applying the techniques without the philosophy behind them. It is obvious from Taylor's own observations that the above discussion would be misplaced in other workers. Taylor acknowledged the potential for abuse in his methods. "The knowledge obtained from accurate time study, for example, is a powerful implement, and can be used, in one case to promote harmony between workmen and the management, by gradually educating, training, and leading the workmen into new and better methods of doing the work, or in the other case, it may be used more or less as a club to drive the workmen into doing a larger day's work for approximately the same pay that they received in the past." [17]"

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Taylor must have been very naive regarding the industrialists and the use to which they would put his methods.
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Laca is busy portraying himself as someone else here, most likely.
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Laca is busy portraying himself as someone else here, most likely.
Cuba is the best. my dear Disneyland friends when , with Mexico, we liberate you then we will educate you and everything will be fine for you.
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laca, a few people subscribing to this thread are convinced you are not Cuban. And to be honest I am also finding it extremely hard to believe you as well. Indeed, they think you are someone living in Sydney. I find this a lot easier to believe, as, although there are many delightful and pleasant people living in that city, most are of the rude and ignorant class.

So, I think your 'fun' at their expense has run its course!
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laca, a few people subscribing to this thread are convinced you are not Cuban. And to be honest I am also finding it extremely hard to believe you as well. Indeed, they think you are someone living in Sydney. I find this a lot easier to believe, as, although there are many delightful and pleasant people living in that city, most are of the rude and ignorant class.

So, I think your 'fun' at their expense has run its course!
You shouldn’t ask your police state agencies ( FBI and CIA ) to help you in finding out where I live, because long time ago the confirmed their incompetence.
My dear friend I live in the most beautiful country in the world called Cuba among most beautiful Cuban people that I would never change for your fascist moronic Disneyland.
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Yeah! Whatever, however, a ratbag is a ratbag no matter the nationality.

You Sydneysiders are a pain to the rest of Australia, now you're spreading yourselves to other nations! Wank on!
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Cuba is the best. my dear Disneyland friends when , with Mexico, we liberate you then we will educate you and everything will be fine for you.
Liberate and educate? Based on my brainwashed knowledge of the Cuban revolution and history can you give me an estimate of how many people will need to be executed?

And then tell me again how we are the bad guys.
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As with anything else, "The greatest abuse of Scientific Management has come from applying the techniques without the philosophy behind them. It is obvious from Taylor's own observations that the above discussion would be misplaced in other workers. Taylor acknowledged the potential for abuse in his methods. "The knowledge obtained from accurate time study, for example, is a powerful implement, and can be used, in one case to promote harmony between workmen and the management, by gradually educating, training, and leading the workmen into new and better methods of doing the work, or in the other case, it may be used more or less as a club to drive the workmen into doing a larger day's work for approximately the same pay that they received in the past." [17]"

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From your reference above" Regards, Mr. Bill "
Would that be the same Mr. Bill that Sluggo was always being mean to on SNL?
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