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Old 11-06-2006
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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

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I doubt that any of those calling for the end of the US trade embargo on Cuba actually know what that embargo consists of and why it was put in place in the beginning.

After Fidel took power in an armed revolution, with US benign assistance (in that the US government did not support Batista and allowed several civilian groups to help arm Fidel's troops), he was lionized in the US press. After the first year in power his government expropriated businesses owned by US citizens without any compensation. These included sugar farms, electric power plants, and other large businesses.

In retaliation the US government froze Cuban assets in the US (and still holds them) and imposed a trade embargo with the expressed purpose of forcing negotiations for compensation for the seized property. Castro then openly claimed his communist connections and has refused negotiations ever since. The US trade embargo has been modified in various ways over the years, but one can sell food and medicine to Cuba after applying for a special export license.

Of course, the US embargo does not affect Canada, the European Union, or any other country, which can, and do, sell to Cuba just about any goods they are barred from getting from the US. As far as automobiles, food, medicine, and many other products, including oil, the US embargo has only the effect that Cuba wishes to portray to the world. They can buy anything they can afford.

What they can afford is the real problem. Because the Cuban economy is run under a foolish communist system, it is a failure and relies on the support of political friends. In the beginning this was the USSR. When that economy fell apart, and the Russian empire with it, Cuba opened up to capitalism and tried to entice European investments, particularly in tourism.

With a modest increase in living standards brought about by this economic conversion, Cuba again clamped down on "capitalistic tendencies" and the economy floundered. Then Venezuela, and Chavez, became Cuba's friend in need. Chavez offers oil at cut-rate prices and other benefits that allow Cuba to keep its poor economic system. So far.

Eventually, Cuba will fall apart or accept a fair amount of free enterprise (as China and Vietnam have done). In the meantime the US trade embargo has its greatest effect in denying US tourism at any large scale and limits Cuban purchases of large civilian passenger jets (because the companies that make them or their engines are under US export controls).

Castro can posture all he wants. I feel sorry for the people of Cuba who have to live under a dictatorship. Those who have fled to the US are benefiting our economy.

Very nicely summarized. Ever think of writing Cliff Notes for World History textbooks?
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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

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If one looks at the history of Cuba, one will see that relations with America were excellent until Castro took over.

Cuban policy is Castro policy.

Some speculate that Castro has racist, elitist vendetta against the USA because he was born into the Spanish elite that had historically ruled over Cuba.

It was Spain that Cuba won independence from with the help of the USA.

Castro was cheated out of his fortunate birth right by the USA when Cuba won independence from Spain.

It goes deeper than that. Castro is vindictive against the US because he wasn't good enough to play professional baseball here.
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Old 11-07-2006
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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

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Very nicely summarized. Ever think of writing Cliff Notes for World History textbooks?
I'd have to remove a lot of opinion from that piece. I would add that I think the US is wrong to keep Guantanamo Naval Base since the "forever" treaty was negotiated with an overthrown government. To me, a responsible and respectable government would realize that the situation has changed and hand back the foreign territory rather than hold that the agreement remains in force and pay a very modest annual rent.

I, too, was in the Strategic Air Command. About 48 years ago; 8th Air Force, Loring AFB, Maine.
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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

Embargo is a waste of time. It is just hurts common Joe Cuba. It will never bring down Cubain Goverment. Saudi is a worse goverment.

Might as well send them a starbucks...
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Embargo is a waste of time. It is just hurts common Joe Cuba. It will never bring down Cubain Goverment. Saudi is a worse goverment.

Might as well send them a starbucks...
I agree that it is mostly a waste of time. But Castro hurts "Joe Cuba" tons more than any unilateral US trade embargo, which is leaky in any event.
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I'd have to remove a lot of opinion from that piece. I would add that I think the US is wrong to keep Guantanamo Naval Base since the "forever" treaty was negotiated with an overthrown government. To me, a responsible and respectable government would realize that the situation has changed and hand back the foreign territory rather than hold that the agreement remains in force and pay a very modest annual rent.

I, too, was in the Strategic Air Command. About 48 years ago; 8th Air Force, Loring AFB, Maine.
I'd keep the Guantanamo Naval Base until Cuba became a democracy or until Hell freezes over, whichever comes first.
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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

We should be promoting the general welfare in our hemisphere. Improving trade relations with nearby states can improve the standard of living for all market participants.
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I think Cuba along with North Korea provides examples for nations when they do not trade with the US so perhaps the embargo should stay for now? Otherwise America and the world would have no way of measuring just how great the US is for global growth throughout the rest of the planet for there would be no example to compare it against.

I think when the US does lift the embargo and Cuba's economy drastically improves, the world should thank us for yet again lifting another desparaged 3rd world economy from the gutter and giving them jobs to sell us stuff but im not optimistic, afterall, we are building the global economy faster than at anytime in history with a 600 billion dollar per year trade deficit yet their politicians get elected by tricking their population into blaming everything on America.

^ Needs repeating.
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Old 11-08-2006
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We should be promoting the general welfare in our hemisphere. Improving trade relations with nearby states can improve the standard of living for all market participants.
Sorry, the US doesn't reward Commies in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old 11-09-2006
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The Cold War is over. The evil communist empire is no longer a threat. Why do we need to embargo a nearby country?
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Fortunately for us, the "Unsupervision" of the people is what is called "FREEDOM" you don't have that.

Someone said, I've forgot who ,that America has lots of freedom of choice but nothing to chose from.
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laca, you do realize that the Cuban Secret Police are monitoring everything that you write and can trace your ISP to your house, right? That said, go ahead and tell Fidel he's full of shit and see how bad we have it compared to YOU when they come knocking on your door to take you away.
I am more concerned for you that CIA agent can take you away at any moment as they are secretly doing with many people in USA at the present.
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This embargo is a joke. If you want to crush the Cuban regime, send McDonalds and Wal-Mart.

This big Mac and Coke Disneyland freedom works only in case of USA moronic zombie gun mentality majority. We are much more educated and sophisticated and on such civilised level that is very difficult for us to be hypnotised with such cheep seductions.
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Someone said, I've forgot who ,that America has lots of freedom of choice but nothing to chose from.
Whereas you get such a broad spectrum of choice in who leads your country.

You can choose Fidel, or you can choose Fidel.

When he croaks, you can choose his brother (whom Fidel will leave the country to in his will), or you choose his brother.

Your talking about choice is funny as hell.

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The Cold War is over. The evil communist empire is no longer a threat. Why do we need to embargo a nearby country?
Because they're still a communist dictatorship being run by Castro.
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