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Re: How world condemns USA embargo on CUBA

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I am more concerned for you that CIA agent can take you away at any moment as they are secretly doing with many people in USA at the present.
It only happens to people who plan terrorist plots. Don't believe everything your communist news agencies say about the US.
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Laca, let me test my understanding of communism. In my understanding the whole goal of communism is the world goverment where the state eventually passes away because it is no longer needed. Until that point the primary justification for a state is to pursue that goal.

So, to cut to the chase, right now the legitimacy of the Cuba goverment is based on thier commitment to the destruction of America.

And we are the bad guys because we won't trade with you?

Furthermore have you guys ever made any serious diplomatic effort to convince us that you have changed your mind about eventually destroying us?
Good lord, Calvin X. I must admit I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time. How do you think that Cuba is going to go about 'destroying' you? Is it with their 1950's cars? Their incredible music? Or perhaps they are going to storm "Gitmo" and free David Hicks? Then again there could be free sugar for your MacDonalds 'sesame seed buns'? Diabetes, anyone?

For goodness sake, catch up with the rest of the world, matey! Nobody sees Cuba as a threat except those influential Cuban rightwing immigrants in Florida! Oh! and you!

Why does the US always have to have an 'enemy'?? First of all it was England, which you, rightly, got rid of; then it was the turn of some pirates lurking around wherever; Mexico had the cheek to try and hang on to the piece of land which metamorphosed into Texas; then it was Spain's turn, in Cuba, of course; putting aside WWI and WWI it was then the turn of the USSR; then it was the People's Republic of China; Korea got into the act; Vietnam was a terrible threat, however, after 'winning' they haven't exactly been assiduous in sending an armada to invade LA or San Francisco; in a 'Lethal Weapon' mood South Africa looked a front-runner, but they then had the stupidity to collapse.

The world mourned with you after 11 September. But unfortunately, when you needed the guidance of a real woman or man you had the 'photo op' president. Yes, it was a very profound moment when he carried that turkey to the troops on your Thanksgiving day. As for 'Mission Accomplished' I'm still stunned.

I'm sure I've left several 'enemies' out in the interval before Iran and then Iraq became 'threats to world peace'! North Korea has faded away lately, I would say, mainly because as your southerners aver "that dog wouldn't hunt"!

Whose turn is it next?

I really, really wish that some of the people writing in this forum would take a reputable class in Sociology and/or history.

Well, if I've offended anyone I apologise but I'm one of those Australians who believe in calling a spade a 'bloody shovel'! Besides it's Fridee night and I'm winding down for the weekend ahead!

Just call me Sugah, I love your signature. I hope in the future we can find some common ground as I think we have a similar outlook and sense of humour! Do you like Australian wine? Further, we are both opinionated with strong likes and dislikes! LOL
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This big Mac and Coke Disneyland freedom works only in case of USA moronic zombie gun mentality majority. We are much more educated and sophisticated and on such civilised level that is very difficult for us to be hypnotised with such cheep seductions.
Interesting that you write this on the internet.

Have your masters in Cuba permitted you to learn where the internet was invented?

Hmmmmm.

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Because they're still a communist dictatorship being run by Castro.
What does that have to do with free trade? Cuba is a sovereign nation. Would they be justified in embargoing the US for trying to destablize them and threatening to invade?

This is an area of foreign policy that is out of sync with the rest of our progress in the post Cold War era. We don't have anything to fear from communism. Why not allow another experiment in forms of government to take place. At the very least, we can learn how to better implement more market friendly socialism in the US.
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What does that have to do with free trade?
Since when does "free trade" take place in Cuba?
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Cuba is a sovereign nation. Would they be justified in embargoing the US for trying to destablize them and threatening to invade?
Cuba can do whatever it wants. As you said, it is a sovereign nation. ....just like the US.
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This is an area of foreign policy that is out of sync with the rest of our progress in the post Cold War era. We don't have anything to fear from communism. Why not allow another experiment in forms of government to take place. At the very least, we can learn how to better implement more market friendly socialism in the US.
Why would we want ANY form of socialism in the US?
We spent the last 60 years fighting socialism. We called it the USSR.
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UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. General Assembly on WednesdayNovember 9, 2006, voted overwhelmingly for the 15th time in a row to demand an end to the four-decade-old U.S. trade embargo against Cuba.

By a vote of 183 in favor, four against and one abstention, the 192-member assembly decided to include on the provisional agenda of its next session an item entitled "necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba."
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Since when does "free trade" take place in Cuba?

Cuba can do whatever it wants. As you said, it is a sovereign nation. ....just like the US.

Why would we want ANY form of socialism in the US?
We spent the last 60 years fighting socialism. We called it the USSR.
Just because it has a command economy doesn't mean that Cuba doesn't trade with the rest of the world.

Continuing our warfare-state policies of subsidizing poverty does not promote the general welfare.

The US is a socialist country. It would be better if we could implement more market friendly forms of socialism through welfare-state economics, than implementing the parent of revolution and crime through warfare-state economics.

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It only happens to people who plan terrorist plots. Don't believe everything your communist news agencies say about the US.
Martin luhter King was also considered as a terrorist by CIA and FBI.
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Martin luhter King was also considered as a terrorist by CIA and FBI.
And this has what to do with the embargo?

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UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. General Assembly on WednesdayNovember 9, 2006, voted overwhelmingly for the 15th time in a row to demand an end to the four-decade-old U.S. trade embargo against Cuba.

By a vote of 183 in favor, four against and one abstention, the 192-member assembly decided to include on the provisional agenda of its next session an item entitled "necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba."
And as an American, I say "Fuck what the UN wants!" Where were the same self-righteous bastards when Saddam was making all of his illegal deals under their noses? They were putting up roadblocks to stop actions against Saddam and were actively trying to get THOSE sanctions lifted despite SH's genocidal record. Fuck them!!!
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Martin luhter King was also considered as a terrorist by CIA and FBI.
I'd like to see a credible reference for that claim, please. I've never seen the term "terrorist" used in relation to MLK. I say "BS".
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And as an American, I say "Fuck what the UN wants!" Where were the same self-righteous bastards when Saddam was making all of his illegal deals under their noses? They were putting up roadblocks to stop actions against Saddam and were actively trying to get THOSE sanctions lifted despite SH's genocidal record. Fuck them!!!
Are you saying that the US could have done better, under the Articles of Confederation? The current UN is analogous to the US with that form of statism.
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I think we could learn a lot from socialism's use of statism for infrastructure development in the third world. Labor migration patterns can easily be altered through any public sector ventures of sufficient scale.
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Are you saying that the US could have done better, under the Articles of Confederation? The current UN is analogous to the US with that form of statism.

WTF does that have to do with the UN's opinion of what the US should do WRT Cuba?
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I am not sure it has anything to do with our reaction? As you well know, the US under the articles was relatively ineffective at sufficiently reducing the chaos form of anarchy; and that culminated in the evolution of our government to its current (federal) state.
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