Elaborate it. After Germans have democratically elected NS party, all democracy was curbed very quick and tough. The political opposition got to the KZs, and the dictature of Adolf carried out the massive nationalisation. Of course, the population supported all revanchist tendencies and strategy of the pay back to France and Britain and hailed the rapid positive social changes. But tell me how could Germans have overted the sudden adventure of assault on USSR, if soldiers deployed in echelons to the East border of Reich in Poland thought till the end that they all expected soon shortcut delivery through the territory of allied USSR to the Iran to fight British?

Actually let me begin by saying I do not think we went to war for Haliburton to become rich, however they certainly have profited. The American people did not like the way the war was sold or has been handled. That would have been communicated to the government in 2004 had the Democrats not run such a weak candidate. It has now however been communictated loud and clear. Moreover it was being communictated through poll after poll that showed Bush loosing support. Since he did nothing his part was ousted and by ousting his party we rejected his policy on Iraq.

Now as to Germany. Hilter in fact to my knowledge only won one election himself. In fact he was appointed to the post of Chancelor not elected. His party never even reall won a majority in any election, but under a parlimentary system you do not have to. Even after the Reichstag fire in 1933 and the banning of the Communist Party and the supression of the SPD he still did not win more than 43.8% of the seats in Parliment. And this in a weak Democracy that was in economic turmoil. You can hardly point to Germany at the time and claim it was a defeat of democracy that cause WWII, it was in fact a failure of the Allies after WWI and their appeasement in the 30's that caused WWII. As for Germany's attack on teh USSR, the only people who thought they had prevented that were the Russians. Given how Hitler saw people he considered to be not up to Aryan standards, and openly admited that in Mein Kampf, I am suprised he fooled even you all for a period of time. Perhaps if Stalin had been just a little less paranoid and so effective at ruining his military and a little more of a reader he could have avoided some of the misery your country suffered. There is blame enough for what happened to go around, and most of it rests with Hitler. But the fact that German demcoracy was not strong enough at the time to withstand the world around it was not the main problem. It was designed to be that way.

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I understood your point - good war to sell, but idiots from Republican Party should have better let to do the job to those who could do it professionaly.
Huh? Do you remember the video with Chamberlein with the small piece of paper clutched in his hand? Cite me his exact words, you specialist in history.Very weak argument. Hitler allied with Japanese who were not up to the standards first in queue after Jews and Gipsis. All those Aryan mambo-jumbo of Hitler were greatly exxagerated in the after-war period, in order to attach to the Nazis the halo of mistical madness. Nobody in Germany have had even the faintest idea, that Hitler plunge into the big risky war after the Versaille injustice was already amended and French were punished. Guderian who shined in glorious panzer-marshes in 1939, remembers in his memoirs as he was astonished and felt the foul chill across his back, as he was suddenly called to the Headquarters and saw the map of Russia on the table. It was surprise for all nation. The letters and diaries of German soldiers I read prove it.

What is the opinion on an amendment based on the theory of nullification and a hypothetical Russian confederation?

Oleg, the British and French would have cared less had Hitler attacked east into Russia, all they cared about and all they claimed was that THEY avoided war with the Germans.

Please tell me you don't think the whole "Germans thought anyone who wasn't Aryan were untermenshcen" was a construct of the Allies after the war. Surely you aren't that backward. When was Mein Kampf written again? He pretty much laid it out for you. In Mein Kampf Hitler made it clear that the Germans were looking for Lebensraum and the place the were looking for it from was to the east. In preparation for the attack Hitler moved over 3 million men to the eastern front, and yet Stalin still had no idea what was comming. Please Oleg, if you want to fool yourself that is fine by me but don't expect me to join you in that revision of history. There may have been some people who were suprised, after all he was a dictator and it is pretty well known that he did a lot of the planning for Barbarosa himself.

Oleg I am not trying to take away anything from the USSR with respect to the price they paid or what they achieved in the latter years of the war, but in 1939 you got suckered. Stalin took a gamble knowing he had done damage to his military and it wsan't ready to fight. He was playing for time to rebuild. Hitler needed time to finish off the west first. But the attack was comming. All you had to do was read Mein Kampf to know it was coming.

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I hear about both for the first time. The nullification of what and what confederation - the scenario like in the Civil war in America? No, thanks. You had it in 19th century, we had it in 20th. There is 21st century, so it's your turn again.) Who spreads the brilliant theories, I wonder? Where did you get them?

If you ever find out please tell the rest of us. We are trying to figure his theories out as well on other subjects. So far we haven't been able to so good luck.

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Ok, I cite it for you. "I've brought you the peace." Therefore not only Russians thought they avoided the war with Germany which was your claim.
Look sharp - I said "exxagerations".
So what? Margaret Thatcher have said openly that only 15 millions of Russian is the economically grounded quantity to dwell in Russia (He told that and if there were no Iron Curtain for information, I wonder what would have been the reaction of 250 millions in Soviet Russia). Madlen Albright has said that it's historically unjust that all Siberia belongs to Russians. And so was before him. Hitler was not too original to us, Gort.You know it now, but don't know how many coffins really arrive from Iraq, because you must not to. Or, let's say, you better don't know it, so it's all for your sake. Soldiers and the people in Germany knew not more for the same reasons.
Don't join. I'm satisfied with the degree of your admittances.
Hitler attacked with forces equal to ours. There are no evidences that his design was based on information about results of Purges, he counted on rapid, quick and unexpected strike first. His army was not ready for positional war, it hadn't winter ammunition. Hitler was gambler, not Stalin. Stalin underetimated the adventurism of Hitler. He thought the assault is possible only at twice or thrice overcome in number and force of the attacker - as followed from common martial theories, and that was in the least reasonable. But Hitler cast his dice. He was racer, that poor Hitler, and that led him to his fatal doom. He put everything on the zero - to finish by the November or to lose.

I was under the impression that the US could have avoided the Civil War, if we had, had a nullification amendment. Such an amendment could certainly be used as a formal mechanism for a separation of powers between states and the interstate.

Oleg if that was true why did you then bother to carve up Poland between you two in the Ribbentrop Moletov agreement? Moreover where was Chamberlain when he said that? Not Russia. He and the French leader could care less what happened to Russia since they looked at the Bolshevik negotiation to end their part in WWI as a betrayal anyway. Nothing happens in a vacum Oleg. Learn your history.

Sure I know exactly how many soldiers die in Iraq, and I know how many are injured. Oleg When Madeline Albright said whatever she said did we have troops sitting right on your border? I am not sure what you are referring to with Margaret Thatcher but it was Churchill that proclaimed the Irin Curtain not Thatcher. Also when he proclaimed the Iron Curtain how many British troops were on the Russian border? Moreover I suggest to you that even though we did not have troops sitting directly on the Russian border, although they were close, you did learn your lesson from Mein Kampf because that was the whole reason for the arms race. You could not afford to let us get to far ahead, you knew it and we knew it. Moreover all of these things you claim came after Hitler. So basically he caught you off guard. He suckered you into a peace agreement to get you to lower your guard and when you did he took advantage of it. However had you bothered to read Mein Kampf you would have known he had planned invading east all along. THis isn' rocket science Oleg, he pretty much spelled it out in balck and white for you. You just chose to ignore it.
Not sure what the hell this is supposed to mean either, must be a lnguage barrier thing.


Please the fact that Stalin had purged significant parts of the military command structure wasn't exactly a well kept secret Oleg, escept maybe from Russians. Why do you think he counted on a quick first strike? He was wrong. But part of the reason he was wrong was you got lucky with a severe winter, you got supplies fromt he west until while a number of your own factories were moved east of the Urals to keep them away from German attack, Hitler was an idiot when it came to tactics, and last your own new commanders proved not to be all that bad either.

Oleg I know WWII history fairly well. I also have the advantage of not having been raised with only one version of it.

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I'd be glad to witness that you're right, and Danielpalos like fairy teller invents everything from his mind to play with abstract combinations.
But "in every joke there is a bit of truth", and it's very sad that ideas of that sort exist, however fantastic they were. I never heard the termin "confederation" applied to Russia - that's really new. But it's not a secret, that in perpetual attempts of so called 'contain' policy against competitors your government searches for the probable approaches of undermining stability in China and Russia. The most distinct case was with Ukraine - of course you are well informed about the "victory of Ukrainian democracy", the "escape of small proud nation from the grasp of imperial totalitarian Moscow" and all other stuff of that sort. Despite the issue was presented in all western media as the liberation of one nation from the yoke of another, the designers of the plan knew definitely that Kiev, the capital of today Ukraine is the former capital of ancient Russia - "Rus' of the Kiev", and associates with ancient roots of every Russian. Brzesinsky really thought, that the center of gravitation might leave the Moscow and displace back to Kiev, so that all Russia could dismiss Moscow and reassemble about her capital of old, the capital where the "democracy has just won and truth and power of people has just triumphed over the post-communist cleptocracy".
So the "confederation" theory is not so fleshless. I would add, that every federation always contains some way to be challenged by the confederation project. 800 000 Americans once payed with their lives to prove it.

Well I will have to admit in this case you have clearly more knowledge than I do. I lawys believed Ukraine had been independant and had fought wars with Russia over just that issue in the past. As far I was aware it was Belarus that considered itself to be the original Rus. I will have to go back and dig up my history texts to review. However it was pretty clear that the Conferderation established after the fall of the USSR was only temporary. The big difference here is the southern states had no prior experience with being a spereate entity from the Union since the formation of the country, and actually before while under the British. That was not the case in the former USSR was it.

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Strange thing that you don't have such a useful instrument for separation yet.) The brave assertion about avoiding of Civil War worth studying, yet considering the quantity of nukes and ordinary arsenals stored across the US, I don't want to risk urgently insist on the amendment. I really will miss for another semi-sphere of our small cozy globe.

Actually built into the Declaration of Independance is the framework. I don't think I would want to try it twice though, Washington isn't likely to like it anybetter now than it did in the 1860's.

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Gort, for time reasons (You're aware of the time difference between our tribunes), I must be going. I don't leave your posts unanswered, I swear with the teeths of Hitler which are being kept in few miles from my location. I recommend you to use the time benefits and edit your posts before I get down to them)