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Old 02-12-2007
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Re: Russia in the future

Like Russians of old. Their attitude towards Baltics and the border disbutes are one of the clear indicators that the attitude of the Bear is back. Finns keep a close eye on Russian developement and many have concluded that democracy is already gone. Putin has made a successful grab of power.

Just yesturday one of the headlines said that Putin has been asked to continue as a president of the Russian Federation by several European and Arabian leaders. It reamained unclear who would have stated this request.
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Like Russians of old. Their attitude towards Baltics and the border disbutes are one of the clear indicators that the attitude of the Bear is back. Finns keep a close eye on Russian developement and many have concluded that democracy is already gone. Putin has made a successful grab of power.

Just yesturday one of the headlines said that Putin has been asked to continue as a president of the Russian Federation by several European and Arabian leaders. It reamained unclear who would have stated this request.
Was that a headline of a Finn paper?
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Was that a headline of a Finn paper?
Text TVforgein section and News in brief.
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Just yesturday one of the headlines said that Putin has been asked to continue as a president of the Russian Federation by several European and Arabian leaders. It reamained unclear who would have stated this request.
That is the most beloved trait of your media we used to read. The HEADLINES persuade the readers that Putin DEFINITELY was asked. Yet SEVERAL European leaders, not to mention the Arabian, succeeded in their strange anonymosity along the whole TEXT of article. There are certain not too great number of states' leaders in Europe. We all know their names and watch yhem in Euronews. Accordingly to your headlines they all are being shown as the flock of small fry, in which none of the boys wants to reveal himself after the stealing an apple and try to hide behind the backs of his comrades.
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That is the most beloved trait of your media we used to read. The HEADLINES persuade the readers that Putin DEFINITELY was asked. Yet SEVERAL European leaders, not to mention the Arabian, succeeded in their strange anonymosity along the whole TEXT of article. There are certain not too great number of states' leaders in Europe. We all know their names and watch yhem in Euronews. Accordingly to your headlines they all are being shown as the flock of small fry, in which none of the boys wants to reveal himself after the stealing an apple and try to hide behind the backs of his comrades.
Well, hello Ryssä.
THis piece of news actually came from Sovi...ee Russia, and we Finns grunted about the fact that Russians failed to identify any of these European leaders you said that said this.
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Well, hello Ryssä.
THis piece of news actually came from Sovi...ee Russia, and we Finns grunted about the fact that Russians failed to identify any of these European leaders you said that said this.
In this case you should name the source in Russia, which has injected this news into the finnish TV news brief. ""Russians" failed to identify" sounds like "Finns said that some leaders of Africa obliged to deliver the bananas to Finland free of charge, but Finns failed to articulate the names of those leaders". I think you can't name the Russian source if not to count some finnish journalist, quartered in Moscow "who heard it with his own ears".
Most likely this case is typical. Your media invent the "news" which are suitable and destinated exactly for the sort of people who feels free and normal to greet the stranger with the insulting foul tongue. You are in delight - that means they guessed the taste of their audience right.
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Like Russians of old. Their attitude towards Baltics and the border disbutes are one of the clear indicators that the attitude of the Bear is back. Finns keep a close eye on Russian developement and many have concluded that democracy is already gone. Putin has made a successful grab of power.
Last weekend is saw this story in HS:
Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Business & Finance
Not looking good for Finnish pulp industry.

Russia is going to increase its presence in the Baltic Sea, when they start building the gas pipeline. They are going to increase the number of subs they have there from around 2 to 8. With the oil terminal, gas pipeline and the Sosnovyi Bor nuclear power plant there are plenty of economically important places that need to be secured. Also an inportant radar base is located near St. Petersburg.

One more thing to gripe about..
Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Foreign
Oil tankers, if that one hadn't been double-hulled.. who knows. They'll turn the Baltic Sea into an oil puddle sooner or later.
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I think we must not be too critical with Putin. If you look at he history of Russia and the Soviet Union, it is pretty remarkable what has been achieved since the End of the Cold War. It is pretty obvious that Russia (and the other ex-Soviet republics) still has great problems to solve on the way to become a modern Democracy and a stable market-economy. But that can not be done over night.
Putin is a LARGE TYPE ASSHOLE. He didnt return from his vacation to save the crew on Kursk before it was too late.
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Putin is a LARGE TYPE ASSHOLE. He didnt return from his vacation to save the crew on Kursk before it was too late.
And from where did you get this?


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I actually was amused at the recent speech given by Putin in Munich. It was clear that the intended audience was Russians. It is also quite likely that while some Europeans enjoyed the speech their governments are likely to take a slightly different approach.
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It is also quite likely that while some Europeans enjoyed the speech their governments are likely to take a slightly different approach.
Would you please clarify your last statement? One can decide looking upon it, that to your mind the European governments will ignore the attitude of "some" Europeans, and that is would-be absolutely natural sound situation. "Some Europeans" in that certain case was rather a big percentage, which doesn't means, of course, that Europeans became great fans of Putin - they simply heard their own thoughts from him this time. Yet, people elect their governments to materialize their attitude and will, not vice versa, accordingly to the Beacon of Democracy anyway.
One could recall the history with starting Iraq war. As all Britain was in the streets against it, the government simply has said to the crowds before the TV-eyes of the whole world "Shut up and f..k off, we're going to war".
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It is also quite likely that while some Europeans enjoyed the speech ...
To be accurate, 2/3 Germans support Putin's criticism of USA (Deutsche Welle, 13.02.2007)

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their governments are likely to take a slightly different approach.
Deutsche Welle published this information only in Russian language. Maybe that means "a slightly different approach" of their government?

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Re: Russia in the future

Funny, but I thought Russia's inability to keep track of their own nuclear weapons poses a bigger threat to world peace and helps fuel the nuclear arms race. People who live in glass houses, and all that jazz.....
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And I thought that Russians would start worrying about their birthrate and diminishing population. Some social programs perhaps instead of putting so much money in weaponry.
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Funny, but I thought Russia's inability to keep track of their own nuclear weapons poses a bigger threat to world peace .....
I've never heared about any serious incidents with Russian nuclear weapons and I think that this myth was made to take all Russian nuclear weapons under full American control.

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