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Old 02-16-2007
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Re: Russia in the future

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Looks like Russia is not the only country who feels threatened:

Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Foreign
Hi neighbour! How are you there? Thanks for the article. "A station for servicing a gas pipeline would be an outpost for espionage" sounds very threatening. I know a nuber of such outposts in my city: a Ford plant, a CokaCola plant, a Wrigles gum plant. Two Japanese outposts (Toyota and Nissan plants ) are currently under construction.... Oh, my! A Sweaden outpost, a Scania bus plant, is already here! I'm afraid!!!

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I'm of course no expert on modern espionage, but yea, with modern spy
satellites, hackers and all the technology available to them, the FSB will really
get an advantage with this pipeline outpost..

The thing I wouldn't like about though would be if they would start using those kind of "outposts" as military bases.
Baltic sea is already packed with commercial vessels almost colliding each other regularly.

No matter what Russia would be doing in this region would be looked at suspiciously.. why, you may ask, because
Russia isn't really known in the world for its high tech and reliable machinery. So when Russia is building
a gas pipeline to a already polluted ocean.. you can imagine... what people imagine will happen.
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The thing I wouldn't like about though would be if they would start using those kind of "outposts" as military bases.
You mean Russian military bases on a Sweden territory? I think it's impossible. It's hard to imagine that Sweaden will ever give the permission for that.

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Baltic sea is already packed with commercial vessels almost colliding each other regularly. No matter what Russia would be doing in this region would be looked at suspiciously.. why, you may ask, because
Russia isn't really known in the world for its high tech and reliable machinery. So when Russia is building a gas pipeline to a already polluted ocean.. you can imagine... what people imagine will happen
We're neighbours and I can imagine that very good. As you know, St.Petersburg stands on the bank of the gulf of Baltic sea and ecologucal issues of all that are essentional for me too. I suppose that from an ecological point of view, a gas pipe is less dangerous than an oil one and oil tankers in Baltic sea worries me more than this pipe. As for reliable machinery - last time (in Black sea) they used Italien pipes, vessels and technology (as far as I remember).

And as a true Russian I should say that you're wrong and some of Russian high-tech machinery are very reliable, like famous launch vehicles "Soyus" and "Proton" Unfortunately, I can't say the same about Russian cars

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No matter what Russia would be doing in this region would be looked at suspiciously.. why, you may ask, because
Russia isn't really known in the world for its high tech and reliable machinery. So when Russia is building
a gas pipeline to a already polluted ocean.. you can imagine... what people imagine will happen.
Very strange statement from the resident of Finland, as the namely Finnish companies are contracted for building underwater sector of pipe, or large part of it anyway.
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The project started in 1997 when Gazprom and the Finnish company Neste (later Fortum) formed a joint company, North Transgas Oy, for construction and operation of a gas pipeline from Russia to Northern Germany across the Baltic Sea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
So, as we have it accordingly to you - the Finns will build and operate it, but in the case of any technical emergency again there will be Russian unreliable machinery polluting the ocean?) Lame affort for explanation "No matter what Russia would be doing in this region would be looked at suspiciously". Try another round.
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Very strange statement from the resident of Finland, as the namely Finnish companies are contracted for building underwater sector of pipe, or large part of it anyway.
I thought Gazprom owns the company that is doing that section, so I assumed it would be russians doing the work. I know that Gasum is doing the parts where the pipe is on ground and of the possibility to make the so called "Balticconnector" line to the Baltic states.

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So, as we have it accordingly to you - the Finns will build and operate it, but in the case of any technical emergency again there will be Russian unreliable machinery polluting the ocean?) Lame affort for explanation "No matter what Russia would be doing in this region would be looked at suspiciously". Try another round.
Main problem in the first place is the shape of the ocean floor and also the UXOs down there. That phrase you called a lame effort.. it was a reference to the mood climate towards the russians in general here. With that I admitted that there are suspicions towards the russian actions, what ever they may be, and therefore there may not be a rational foundation for those suspicions.
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