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Old 12-15-2006
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From out of the blue...

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Did you bother to read your own quoted reference:
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There has been much scholarly attention devoted to why Booth was in Montreal at this time, and what he was doing there. No solid evidence has ever linked Booth's kidnapping or assassination plot to a conspiracy involving any elements of the Confederate government, although this possibility had been explored at some length in two books; Nathan Miller's Spying For America and William Tidwell's Come Retribution: the Confederate Secret Service and the Assassination of Lincoln.
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I mentioned the Civil War because you were making such a fuss about Palestinians killing Palestinians. Since you seem to think that it's somehow noteworthy that the factions target each others' leadership, perhaps you'd care to take a stab at explaining how it's more depraved than slicing women's breasts off or forcing children to watch their fathers' heads explode?
Still attempting to deflect the question, how cowardly.
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Still attempting to deflect the question, how cowardly.
What an extraordinarily thick skin. Shameless.
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Still attempting to deflect the question, how cowardly.
Why do you insist on beating around the bush? You stated that Palestinians are animals and I've shown that they are no more so than we are, so I fail to see any deflection. The question of whether or not the Union and Confederate leadership attacked one another is irrelevant since I've provided a better example to support my position.
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Why do you insist on beating around the bush? You stated that Palestinians are animals and I've shown that they are no more so than we are, so I fail to see any deflection. The question of whether or not the Union and Confederate leadership attacked one another is irrelevant since I've provided a better example to support my position.
Still deflecting, I see. I guess I'm done here.
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Did you bother to read your own quoted reference:


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"No solid evidence exists..."

"No solid evidence" in no way implies it never happened, jpsartre 12. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence", right? It's the logic conservatives have used countless times to address the issue of no WMD being found in Iraq, so it must be a valid argument, right? After all, the Christian conservatives have used it enough!

Nice try at the slick evasive maneuver, but I'm still on your tail!!! (Where's that "Red Baron" smiley? ). And, yes, I did read the entire article. I just thought the facts that were revealed were more damning than the mere fact that there wasn't any "solid" proof that the meeting in Canada occurred. What is known tips the balance more towards guilty than innocence.

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What an extraordinarily thick skin. Shameless.
I'm not gonna say it.
I'm not gonna say it.
I'm not gonna say it.

Whew!!!

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"No solid evidence exists..."

"No solid evidence" in no way implies it never happened, jpsartre 12. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence", right? It's the logic conservatives have used countless times to address the issue of no WMD being found in Iraq, so it must be a valid argument, right? After all, the Christian conservatives have used it enough!

Nice try at the slick evasive maneuver, but I'm still on your tail!!! (Where's that "Red Baron" smiley? ). And, yes, I did read the entire article. I just thought the facts that were revealed were more damning than the mere fact that there wasn't any "solid" proof that the meeting in Canada occurred. What is known tips the balance more towards guilty than innocence.

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Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term "justice", but here you're considered innocent until PROVEN guilty. I know it's a foreign concept to someone that supports sending kids and women to do bomb civilians.
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We do know one thing ... that Murtha's accusations were wrong!!!
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U.S. military to announce Haditha charges Thursday - Yahoo! News

The charges in the Haditha case could include murder and are expected against at least five Marines, defense officials said. They will be announced from Camp Pendleton, California, where the Marines are being held.
Sooo, was Murtha still wrong?

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Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term "justice", but here you're considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.
True, and it's not an unfamiliar concept to me. Another reality to consider along the same vein is that even though someone can be presumed innocent one can still be charged with the crime.

You also say that:

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I know it's a foreign concept to someone that supports sending kids and women to do bomb civilians.
True also, but you're not speaking to or about those people- you're speaking to me about about two entirely different issues- Haditha and those that have been detained over it and Booth's possible connections to the Confederacy.

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What an extraordinarily thick skin. Shameless.
Didn't you mean "thin skin", Moon?

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Here ya go, Jotathought!



Sooo, was Murtha still wrong?

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I never said the men were innocent or guilty. I said that Murtha was wrong with his accusations that Haditha was nothing more than a coverup .. he vociferously proclaimed that and he was wrong ..


Here is Murtha's quote:

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"There has to have been a coverup of this thing," Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.), ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, charged in an interview on ABC's "This Week." "No question about it."

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I never said the men were innocent or guilty. I said that Murtha was wrong with his accusations that Haditha was nothing more than a coverup .. he vociferously proclaimed that and he was wrong ..

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Here is Murtha's quote, the one you provided:

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"There has to have been a coverup of this thing," Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.), ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, charged in an interview on ABC's "This Week." "No question about it."

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If what you state is the truth, jpsartre12, then why I am reading this in todays news?:

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The other four were officers who were not there during the killings but were accused of failures in investigating and reporting the deaths.

"Accused of failures in investigating and reporting the deaths"

Looks to me like Murtha had it correct all along, jpsartre12.
Do you wish to continue with your own self-deception, jpsartre? Or are you ready to start facing the truth and reality now?

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Looks to me like Murtha had it correct all along, jpsartre12.
Do you wish to continue with your own self-deception, jpsartre? Or are you ready to start facing the truth and reality now?

Gem
The fact that those accused of committing the murders AND a few that tried to cover it up are all being prosecuted PROVES that the murder of civilians isn't condoned by the military or US public. Murtha's outburst gives the defense grounds for claiming that they can't get a fair trial since he poisoned the perspective jury pool with his comments. While that doesn't affect the military trials, it certainly will become a factor if civil criminal charges are also prosecuted.
And the "truth" is exactly as I have stated. If the killing of civilians was condoned, there would be no trials. So, let's see how you attempt to spin that fact, gem.
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