No, I don't think so, Look at behind you, have you never notice in these cases the majority never want to see the part of their country leave such as Kosovo and Serbia ? (it is one example, but I have plenty like this one)In fact the quebecers are the only ones concerned about this issue, if the totality of Canada come to vote for this, they will never have their sovereignty, It will hurts them more than you can expect. Again, it is just a POV.



You know, priorly you told me my two years wasn't enough to have a good POV about this situation and when I read your quote (just above) I'm not sure that you are not biaised. If it works for you why it doesn't work for me ?? Didn't you tell me I cannot make a generalization ? is it not what you are doing here ?

There are a good number of quebecois in the military, and the majority of them (in fact I haven't met one who isn't) are fierce nationalists

No it wouldn't. NAFTA would still apply to the rest of Canada, and be the same. Just as CAFTA and AUSFTA weren't chances to renegotiate NAFTA.

Nothing is stopping them from moving to France. Why don't you offer them a piece of your country? Why don't you give up some of your land for them, those poor repressed people in the foreign occupied "nation" of Quebec. Seriously. The young people think that way because they are taught to. Same as many people in Mid-East countries are taught to hate the US. Quebec is part of Canada, it is Canada, therefore it can't leave unless Canada agrees and it will not. But if the people are unhappy they can leave. They are treated fairly, equally, given every opportunity every other Canadian has. They have no case. It's ridiculous, but thanks to our Nation Dividing PM Harper, it is an issue again.

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"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Actually I did not say it would not apply to the rest of Canada, just to an independant Quebec. However were that to happen it would be the perfect time for the US to examine it's so called free trade agreements. Personally I would like to see an end to all of them.

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Don't worry about it, when Bush wants to charge us he does and the WTO still rules in his favour and the US still gets our goods free. But I am still for NAFTA, I hope it remains for a very long time.

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Actually the free trade agreement between the US and Canada doesn't really worry me much since both countries do protect some industries, have free floating currencies, and both have simular laws in the area of worker protections. Where it bothers me is when a country with no worker protections, very restrictive protectionist policies, and no desire to float its currency enters into an agreement that suposedly is a free trade agreement. I would negate treaties that do not meet ony single criteria mentioned and would not ever consider a treaty of any kind in the area of trade that meets two or more of the three items I mentioned.

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I agree to on the other partner you are talking about. But between Canada and the US I think is a good thing and a healthy, friendly action.

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

you know, I have nothing to do with harper. I don't say this just to be nasty. I explain what I saw. that's it.

I agree with you excepted about the sentence you made about France.
Excuse me to don't understand what is your point. If six millions people don't want to live with you, France can't help you. In another word, it is not our fault. And I can say you the same you know !

You know, what I see for 5 pages, is just "hatred" from you english speakers (of course there are some exceptions), and unfortunaly there are no quebecers here to defend his "nation".

They do not have their own nation, they have a province in teh nation of Canada. Want to see hatred? talk to type of people you claim to have had contact with and you will see plenty. Funny thing is though since you seem to sympathise with them you more than likely do not see it as hatred, rather as righteous indignation. Personally I see Billy and those like him as righteously indignant and the Quebecois that want independance and are vocal about their dislike of english speakers as full of hatred.

It is a matter of perspective. However since they are a minority in Canada I do not see independance in their future, which is why Billy suggested France do the humanitarian thing and open its borders, hearts and property to them.

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Gort ? hey gort ! please read the news ! lol it is not my word! it is the harper's word.



??? Read my first statment. I explained what I saw when I spent two years in quebec city. No judgments. I just repeat what I saw. But I can add if you want I saw several young quebecers insult english speaker in the middle of the street just because they were speaking in english if you want. Again , this is what I saw.



Not for me. I just repeat what i saw. I said these people never give up. What's the matter ? is that something too hard to understand ?


As I said, it is not our buisness.




If you all have some problems to believe what I say, I just can say "go there! you will see by yourself". Maybe your POV would be different of mine but it will never change what I saw (what you try to deny for 20 posts) : The real world.

I have been there, and frankly do not care if I go back. I love TO but you can have Montreal.

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English speakers? As I have said, I am a French-Canadian. I speak both official languages. There isn't hatred, I don't hate anyone, especially not Quebec, if I did, I would tell them to leave. This is not a cut and dry issue. Part of what I said was telling you there was no good reason for what you saw. I did not deny you saw it. And I was simply asking France, where our ancestors all came from, donate some land or offer space to help those Quebecers that want out.

I realize it's not your fault, I appologize for seeming angry at you. This issue makes me angrier than any. It really is just power hungry politicians making sure Quebec feels left out so that they can push their issue. They are the ones that hate Quebec, the leaders of the seperatist parties. They should be terrorist organizations.

Quebec is a great province, in the great country of Canada. Canada is the nation here.

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"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Give it some time, man. Nothing happens overnight.

This is why the Habs need to win the Stanley Cup. That way we can all be happy and rally around the greatest team in the history of sports.

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Seriously??

Man, you need to go to Montreal in August, and walk around the Old Port. Some of the most amazingly beautiful women I've ever seen.

Friendly, too...

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