WTF? How do you have a nation "within" another nation?

Matt

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I think by starting a civil war...or...I am not sure, really.

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THis is a perfect example of one of the many reasons to be afraid of illegal immigration.

We already did this with the natives. We called them the first-nations and than renamed part of the North West Terrirories Nunavut; they self govern (with limits, of course) in that region.

I see no reason why if Quebec wants to be their own nation as well we shouldn't let them. In fact, i think we should encourage and help them achieve full nationhood and full independence from Canada. Why not?

I see no reason why if they don't want to be a part of Canada we should force them to be..... big deal, go off young frenchmen and good luck.

Andrew

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You don't, but if it keeps from a lib/ndp alliance out of power he should say whatever it takes. Even if its nonsensical blather, the fact that its nonsense which makes people happy is good enough.

So long as they take their share of the debt with them, forfeit their canadian passports, fund their own embassies, fund their own army, negotiate there own way into NAFTA, NATO, and the UN etc. and have an election where a clear majority is in favor of this, go at it.

What? Are you completely ignorant of Canadian history?

Why make it difficult for them? Why not help them? What would be the point in being spiteful? Why should I want to keep Quebec in Canada?

Don't get me wrong, im not saying they should just be a charity case to be coddled by Canada. Im just saying there would obviously have to be a transitional period in which the rest of Canada could help Quebec become its own independent nation?

Are we that hung up nationalism in Canada that we would insist on forcing a nation to be a apart of something they don't want? Would we go to the childish lengths of being spiteful and vindictive against them, or would we be enlightened adults who can see beyond the limits of nationalism to help Quebec achieve their own sovereign independence..... we seem to be wasting lives and dollars helping, sorry, pretending to help Afghanis achieve independence, why would we not do the same for Quebecers?

Andrew

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Because they mooched howmuch freaking money off of canada? Oh I suppose we're supposed to help them as if they were a third world country.

You don't need to, but they should take their share of the burden with them.

Bullshit, if they're not paying taxes their not getting benefits

They helped run up the tab, they have to pay their portion

Because the afhanis haven't been whining for the past 200 years about how canada needs to show them more deferrence, nor have they cost canada billions of dollars. They don't think they're oppressed simply because someone speaks in english they're oppressed because of roaming gangs, drug lords, warlords, and taliban members. Quite frankly Afghanistan deserved our sympathy and support, Quebec is just a bunch of easily offended, thinskinned, whiners who don't want to pay their fair share.

A brilliant move by the PM. Contrary to what it seems like he has delt a blow to the seperatists who wanted to decalre the province of QC a nation rather than the "people" which is what Harper did. This was a symbolic issue that has been dogging the country for a while. Seperatists are never happy so hopefully this will calm a few of them while at the same time making things politically difficult for the BQ and PQ.

Most Afghanis are far more backwards than the quaint little complaints of Quebecers.


Anyway this is about Quebec.

I agree, they should owe what they owe, no question.

The only thing im confused about is why people would want to make it difficult for them, which is typically the response i get from western canadians.

"fuck 'em, they can leave if they want but they aint gettin' nothin' from us....

All im saying is yes, they should buy back their infrastructure from Canada, and that can be worked out, but should we purposefully make it difficult or should we help?

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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What about guys like me who live in QC who identify themselves as Canadiens. We are more numerous than the seperatists don't forget. Canada wouldn't be the same with a hole in the middle.

Wll, yes, a majority would certainly have to approve. I would say like 80-90% majority to be absolutely certain...

Who cares if Canada has a hole in the middle?

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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Make it difficult, if being part of a canada is such a burden, and if they truly have such a disdain for us, why should be help? What do we owe them?

See, its that attitude that creates tragedies like Chechnya.

I guess one reaosn i would help is because I dont think nationalism is all that important. In other words, Canadian nationalism means so little to me that I would not find it important to prevent, out of spiteful jingoism, a Canadian entity from splitting off and creating their own entity. In fact i think it would display tremendous enlightenment to do so.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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