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Hezbollah re-arming, Lebanon still occupied

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Iran is smuggling weapons through Syria to re-arm Lebanese allies Hizballah, despite renewed efforts by United Nations peacekeepers and the Lebanese army to seal off the mountain borders with Syria in the wake of last summer's war between the Shi'ite militia and Israel, according to reports by Saudi and Israeli intelligence sources that have been confirmed by western diplomats in Beirut.

Israeli military officials in Tel Aviv say that Hizballah replenished nearly half of its pre-war stockpiles of short-range missiles and small arms. But western diplomats in Beirut say these calculations under-estimate the weapons flow and that Hizballah has now filled its war chest with over 20,000 short-range missiles—a similar amount to what they had at the start of the conflict, during which the group is believed to have fired over 3,000 rockets at Israel. "The Iranian pipeline through Syria was already working during the war," despite constant Israeli bombing raids on the roads into Lebanon from Syria, this Beirut source said. Officially, Syria and Iran deny that they're supplying weapons to Hizballah. As for the Shi'ite group itself, when asked about receiving a new shipment of arms from Syria and Iran, a spokesman told TIME, without elaborating, "We have more than enough weapons if Israel tries to attack us again."

Over the past three months, according to a knowledgeable Saudi source, Iranian Revolutionary Guard officers have been operating out of a military base on the outskirts of Damascus. The Iranian government has dispatched shipments of small arms and what appear to be missile components to this military base, according to the source. From the secret base, weapons have been shipped by truck across the border into Lebanon. Western diplomats say that the Lebanese army has posted over 8,000 troops along the border, forcing smugglers to use mountain passes instead of the heavily-monitored crossing on the main Beirut-Damascus road.

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It is obvious that Hezbollah is nothing more than a foreign controlled army occupying Lebanon against the wishes of the majority of Lebanon's legitimate government.

If you are Iran or Syria, what better way to have a war with Israel than to launch it from someone else's soil and let that country suffer the effects?

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Re: Hezbollah re-arming, Lebanon still occupied

Hmmm...tragically reminds me of how "well" the UN did to control saddam hussien.
To me - just another example of how ineffective the UN is.
Only the most gullible people actually believed the UN would stop the weapons going to Hezbollah. Annnd - how these same people will not consider this when another outbreak happens...much easier to blame Isreal.
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Re: Hezbollah re-arming, Lebanon still occupied

ya i am not getting what the UN is doing now adays

other than watching bad people do bad things

and alot of the world die

seems to me they are just a body to get together and say YOUR BAD .......then do nothing about it
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Re: Hezbollah re-arming, Lebanon still occupied

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It is obvious that Hezbollah is nothing more than a foreign controlled army occupying Lebanon against the wishes of the majority of Lebanon's legitimate government.

If you are Iran or Syria, what better way to have a war with Israel than to launch it from someone else's soil and let that country suffer the effects?

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It's worked before - the arab governments have used the palestinian peasants as a puppet army since '73.
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I like tjhis line;

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As for the Shi'ite group itself, when asked about receiving a new shipment of arms from Syria and Iran, a spokesman told TIME, without elaborating, "We have more than enough weapons if Israel tries to attack us again."
if israel decides to attack again? gee whiz..

and of course I am not surprised ..the resolution to disarm Hezbollah was never implemented as required by the vaunted UN…so of course they will replace stocks they have exhausted…
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Re: Hezbollah re-arming, Lebanon still occupied

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It is obvious that Hezbollah is nothing more than a foreign controlled army occupying Lebanon against the wishes of the majority of Lebanon's legitimate government.

If you are Iran or Syria, what better way to have a war with Israel than to launch it from someone else's soil and let that country suffer the effects?

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Let's see now, is this in any way comparable to the FACT repeat "FACT" that the majority of the american people want us out of IRAQ, but the MAJORITY of the US GOVERMENT (Senate and EXecutive About two hundred people more or less ) want us to stay??? How about the Lebanese PEOPLE???? As I remember, they were FOR the Hebollah during tyhat operation.
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Perhaps they were since they were defending Lebanese soile against another Israeli ininvasion, but then again Hezbollah precipitated the invasion to begin with...
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Let's see now, is this in any way comparable to the FACT repeat "FACT" that the majority of the american people want us out of IRAQ, but the MAJORITY of the US GOVERMENT (Senate and EXecutive About two hundred people more or less ) want us to stay??? How about the Lebanese PEOPLE???? As I remember, they were FOR the Hebollah during tyhat operation.
And this has anything whatsoever to do with the OP in what way??
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How about the Lebanese PEOPLE???? As I remember, they were FOR the Hebollah during tyhat operation.
uhmm you might want to re-think that the majority of people in Lebanon, even the arab league were not in favor of Hezbollah’s intrusion into Israeli territory and snatching of its soldiers...once the inevitable Israeli response came and the media got to work, that changed...those are 2 different things and if I recall amnesty intl also condemned Hezbollah for atrocities as well.....and frankly Hezbollah issue funds ( from iranian funds) to peoples whose homes were destroyed after the response, but are under the gun...they are crowded into shelters that they ( Hezbollah ) know are going to be targeted so they can run up the "civilian” causalities total to buy world outrage when in fact they are nothing more than human shields who would rather get out from under……..you think the average Lebanese citizen wants this crap? Sorry, aside from the Hezbollah enclaves , I don’t think so.
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Let's see now, is this in any way comparable to the FACT repeat "FACT" that the majority of the american people want us out of IRAQ, but the MAJORITY of the US GOVERMENT (Senate and EXecutive About two hundred people more or less ) want us to stay??? How about the Lebanese PEOPLE???? As I remember, they were FOR the Hebollah during tyhat operation.
are you reading the wrong thread?
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Let's see now, is this in any way comparable to the FACT repeat "FACT" that the majority of the american people want us out of IRAQ, but the MAJORITY of the US GOVERMENT (Senate and EXecutive About two hundred people more or less ) want us to stay??? How about the Lebanese PEOPLE???? As I remember, they were FOR the Hebollah during tyhat operation.
No, it really isn't comparable at all.

If the US army were lunching attacks into Iran from Iraq, and the Iranians retaliating against the Iraqi population, them maybe there would be a comparison.

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hiziballah must be destroyed completely
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hiziballah must be destroyed completely
Yea good luck with that.
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The problem is that the only people who care whether lebanon is ever again a legitimate entity are in no position to effect any change there.
Lebanon's christian community is not a majority in the country. Lebanon's muslim's are more in favor of iranian control than not. Israel would love a legitimate democratic state of lebanon but we all saw what happended the last time Israel tried to affect change there. The Iraq disaster has destroyed any ability the US might have had to influence events there.

I just don't see good things happening in Lebanon in the forseeable future.
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The problem is that the only people who care whether lebanon is ever again a legitimate entity are in no position to effect any change there.
Lebanon's christian community is not a majority in the country. Lebanon's muslim's are more in favor of iranian control than not. Israel would love a legitimate democratic state of lebanon but we all saw what happended the last time Israel tried to affect change there. The Iraq disaster has destroyed any ability the US might have had to influence events there.

I just don't see good things happening in Lebanon in the forseeable future.





If Israel would love to see a strong democratic state of Lebanon they shouldn´t have done almost everything to destroy the democratic governement of prime minister Siniora but instaed have worked through international channels to enable him to stand up to Hisbullah. I also recall promises pointing in that direction by the Bush administration.
That the rats are coming out of their holes again in a situation were the lebanese economy is largely destroyed due to Israeli bombing and blocades is not surprising.
Lebanese sunnites are in the majority no particular friends of HIsbullah and Iran and you´re also leaving out that Hisbullah has now formed an alliance with the christian party of the former anti-syrian civil war general Michel Aoun

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