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Old 01-21-2007
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ahh so thats what they are all afraid of when they are talking about weaponizing space, Star trek lol. No I just immagine that satelites will begin to move on thier own power to avoid strikes, and may be refueled by space stations... because maybe i wonder that the solar panels will be to easily seen as they reflect light. ( i am just guessing) So maybe there will be powered drones movin about taking pictures and whatever. Although I am sure they will keep this secret like the stealth fighter. This is just my prediction or fantasy whichever.
The star trek comment is about having a utopian society.
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cold.. but i guess disapointingly realistic.. that its sad that a world without threat of complete nuclear anhilation is considered utopia.. I would just consider it one step towards utopia.
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Old 01-21-2007
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Actually, this year or possibly next year, China will revamp its income tax system. They are already working on the corporate side to make their MNC more competitive internationally, especially in Africa. The individual income tax system also needs to be revamp because of China's increasing wealth among most its citizens.
They can revamp it all they want, doesn't mean they'll be able to raise taxes in Taiwan.

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China does what most other nations do. If it is to their advantage, they will criticize. And if its to their advantage, they will do the same thing as it was done to them in the past.
Never suggested anything less.

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I can understand the Falun Gong, it is not a religion, but a controlling cult.
Really? Seems like stretching to me. Please show proof which justifies any of what the Chinese Government does. What tenet of the religion justifies torture, murder, organ harvesting, slavery...

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However, I do think China needs to rethink its policy toward the Tibetians and Taiwanese if they want to become a world dominating power. As for the Uyghur people, there have been some terrorist attacks in the autonomous region by the separatist movement there, which is why the crackdown BTW.
I beg to differ, and see it going the other way.
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Old 01-22-2007
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I seem to remember China whining in the 90s when Clinton met with the Dalai Lama. Similarly, whether or not we sell weapons to the sovereign nation of Taiwan should be none of your concern. You do not raise taxes there, you do not maintain a military presence, establish law and order, dictate foreign policy, provide for the creation of public works, so don't feed me this crap about it being a part of China.
China does not interfere with American DOMESTIC affairs. For American international affairs, China interfere in North Korea, not to mention Tibet and Taiwan who belong to China. You don't really deserve anything better than craps.


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China simply attempts to buy up media in western nations to turn them into propaganda machines and that is not meddling in domestic affairs. But should a nation have dealings with a democratic nation which by any objective measure is independent and sovereign, China throws a hissy fit. So don't feed me this line that China is benignly hands off when it comes to foreign policy.
First of all, Chinese government has every right to buy any media as long as one wants to buy and one wants to sell. American government creats those VOA or RFA, and China shall do anything reciprocal.

Second, if BBC or NY Times or any reliable news agencies say that China buys media, I might believe you. Don't quote those FLG scums unless you believe "16 million Chinese party members resign the party". By the way, CCP members recently exceed 70 million with another 3-5 million on waiting list. Go back home and cry!

Third, an independent and sovereign nation except China, will not have their capital defined by its Constitution located in Nanjing, Jiangsu Province, PRC. An independent and sovereign nation shall have one seat in any significant international organizations represented by sovereign and independent nations.



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Awww... Is someone upset that the congress is exposing the CCP's practices against the Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Falun Gong practitioners? (among others)
You cannot deny the fact that the White House officials and those think tanks are much more intelligent in average than those congress people from domestic votings who know little about international affairs.


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Yes, puppet states like Russia and the United Kingdom. Because if someone doesn't like an action undertaken by china they must have been swayed by some great international conspiracy to encircle and isolate China.
In case you don't know, UK is the most intimate and loyal puppet of the US. Even Japan cannot match. Russia is wary of the test. Moscow acts properly, in contrast with Washington's hypocritical whining and protesting.
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Old 01-22-2007
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The magistrates are allowed to burn down houses while the common people are forbidden even to light lamps.

double standard

Well Said!! Bush administration treats the space as the property of their own oil company. America itself wants to develop space weapons and prohibit any international bans to develop space weapons, while they don't allow others to develop space weapons.
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Old 01-22-2007
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Actually, some of those who did criticize are not exactly on friendly terms with the US. Some who did not criticize, like Israel, have a very close relationship with China. So, who is the puppet and who is not.
Well, let's see. America, Canada, Japan, England, Australia, S Korea. Who else?? Israel is the only American puppet who did not. What can you say? Jewish people are smart.
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Old 01-22-2007
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Not to mention Nixon, BTW.

But I was referring to your off conspiracy theory that the US was behind the test; thus provoking a standard reaction by the White House, in order to deceive the John Q Taxpayer from the real tragedy of Iraq.
Nixon used to be a super Communist phobia. He chose to came to Beijing to see Mao Zedong to relieve his Vietnam War pressure. Republicans in general are more pragmatic and rational.

Washington has several reasons to exaggerate this test. One is to distract American people from new Iraqi plans, and another one is to scare Taiwan parliament into buying more American weapons. Of course, they also want to beat up the drum of the "China Threat", which is basically only happening in those hawks' dreams.
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Old 01-22-2007
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also about insane nations, nations can become insane as soon as they change leaders. china or russia could become insane in a decade if they decide too. Thats also the worry you know. I don't think either china or russia are insane now but its possible considering the type of governments they run in 20 yrs they could be.

You can do a research in Europe, Middle East, Asia, Africa or Latin America. I bet more people will vote for Bush being insane rather than Chinese and Russian leaders being insane.
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Old 01-22-2007
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Really? Seems like stretching to me. Please show proof which justifies any of what the Chinese Government does. What tenet of the religion justifies torture, murder, organ harvesting, slavery...
Since you are so ignorant, let me educate you again. Torture might happen in any police station in China. Torture used to be a legal component of criminal justice in Ancient China. The officials can torture the criminal suspects if they don't behave. Nowadays, you can criticize that some policemen and policewomen in China still have old concepts.

There are four types of death penalties in China. One of the them officially deprives the criminal of any political rights. In this case, organs might be transplanted into those who need them. All processes are legal and well documented. By the way, most of them who receive organs in China are rich Japanese and Americans.

Refering to "murder" and "slavery", it is your complete bull shit. Quote from any major American or European news agencies.

I have already proved why FLG is a cult in previous posts, so I don't repeat here. Even Americans who can be easily tricked by those Chinese scums, begin to realize that it is a cult.

Falun Gong Derided as Authoritarian Sect by Anti-Cult Experts in Seattle
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Old 01-22-2007
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China does not interfere with American DOMESTIC affairs. For American international affairs, China interfere in North Korea, not to mention Tibet and Taiwan who belong to China. You don't really deserve anything better than craps.
Really, it seems to me that who the President meets with is a purely domestic affair.

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First of all, Chinese government has every right to buy any media as long as one wants to buy and one wants to sell. American government creats those VOA or RFA, and China shall do anything reciprocal.
Please show me VOA trying to subvert the free press in canada.

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Second, if BBC or NY Times or any reliable news agencies say that China buys media, I might believe you.
It was in the Globe and Mail originally. A highly reliable source.

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By the way, CCP members recently exceed 70 million with another 3-5 million on waiting list. Go back home and cry!
Because 70 million fascists can't be wrong!

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Third, an independent and sovereign nation except China, will not have their capital defined by its Constitution located in Nanjing, Jiangsu Province, PRC. An independent and sovereign nation shall have one seat in any significant international organizations represented by sovereign and independent nations.
No a country will do what is in its interest. The threats of violence by China invalidate any claims you care to make about the governments 'statements'. The Fact is they have the qualities of sovereign independent nation. Their people are free and there is not a damned thing China can do about it.

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You cannot deny the fact that the White House officials and those think tanks are much more intelligent in average than those congress people from domestic votings who know little about international affairs.
Oh wait a minute, it's often the State Dept. which gets the witnesses and provides the briefs for those hearings.

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In case you don't know, UK is the most intimate and loyal puppet of the US. Even Japan cannot match. Russia is wary of the test. Moscow acts properly, in contrast with Washington's hypocritical whining and protesting.
Awhhhhh poor China everyone is ganging up on them, and all their doing is butchering civilians on a daily basis, threatening their neighbors and whining incessantly.
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Old 01-23-2007
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We never criticize American developing weapons. America can develop whatever they want. It is your domestic affairs, and we do not interfere with American domestic affairs.
Actually, China has in the past, particularly when US issues human rights reports. So, don't give me that bull.

PS, I understand, probably more than you do, why China does the criticism, and I am not Chinese.
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Old 01-23-2007
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Nixon used to be a super Communist phobia. He chose to came to Beijing to see Mao Zedong to relieve his Vietnam War pressure. Republicans in general are more pragmatic and rational.

Washington has several reasons to exaggerate this test. One is to distract American people from new Iraqi plans, and another one is to scare Taiwan parliament into buying more American weapons. Of course, they also want to beat up the drum of the "China Threat", which is basically only happening in those hawks' dreams.
You are definitely being given the hardline CCP rhetoric. The main reasons why Nixon wanted to open relations with China was first, a thorn to the USSR, and a political coup. He was still an anti-communist when he passed away in the 1990's.

As for the test, the US and USSR accomplished the same thing back in 1985. The main concern is the 10,000 pieces of debris that will fall into the earths atmosphere and create tensions around the globe. For that fact, it was the main reason why the US and USSR stopped the tests. And for missile developers, it was a major accomplishment, but the typical reaction is expected to criticize China's development.
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Old 01-23-2007
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Well, let's see. America, Canada, Japan, England, Australia, S Korea. Who else?? Israel is the only American puppet who did not. What can you say? Jewish people are smart.
You have a lot to learn. President Roh of South Korea has exerted South Korean independence over Washington for some time. This is especially true with his sunshine policy, the takeover by the ROK Joint Korean Command, and other issues. But France, Germany, India, and Pakistan are not exactly on the best of terms with the US, yet they still criticized. Russia will not criticize because of the fledgling partnership with China's military. Any criticism on Russia will end that fairy tale of cooperation between the two countries.
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Old 01-23-2007
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Awww... Is someone upset that the congress is exposing the CCP's practices against the Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Falun Gong practitioners? (among others)
TD don't make anything be politicized.no one look down on Uyghurs(the Eastern Turkic)-Chinese and Tibetan-Chinese in China.a few Han-Chinese(not many,just a few) dislike Mongolia-Chinese and Manchu-Chines,the reason is the war in China history.but most Chinese think all Chinese are equal. and as i know,no one dislike Uyghurs and Tibetan,I know Uyghurs' face is a bit different Han-Chinese,but i don't care,actually,i can see Uyghurs in this city,their .but i have never see Tibetan-Chinese till now,because i have never been to Tibet before(but i can read much threads and see much pictures about Tibet in China travell forum)
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Actually, China has in the past, particularly when US issues human rights reports. So, don't give me that bull.

PS, I understand, probably more than you do, why China does the criticism, and I am not Chinese.
my english is so poor,so I don't understand your meaning very much.
my opinion:
if the US didn't critizize China on subject of human right,then China wouldn't criticize some WASP american racist.Chinese don't like play "World police" role,just American consider they are "world police",they are always right,they are always justical.your criticism cause Chinese angry,and we just counterstrike you.
we don't want to offend American,and we don't want to surrender to American.we just wish live in peace.

Chinese is Chinese,American is American.we are different.we are in different country,don't poke your nose into Chinese business.and we don't poke our nose into American business.
no war.peace,money,this is what Chinese want.
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