Sagt dir das Wort Endlösung etwas, Herr Obersturmbannführer ?

The parties you mentioned are fascist ones. Why don't you simply come out and say it ? Out on the streets your ilk is so damn proud of it ? Don't you have the balls to come out for it on an American board where your rhetoric is massively rejected ? On European boards your wishy-washy attitude is replaced by much more vulgar lingo.

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Does that matter ?

Nope, they're Jersey and Guernsey, for no particular reason. I'm not a nationalist.

LOL, kindly point me to that 'war' on the streets.

Why don't you guys just grow up and accept reality ? The whole world is multi-cultural already and mass migration is as old as mankind. Instead of sitting trembling from fear in a corner, why don't you embrace the richness that comes from intercultural contacts ?
You're acting like small, scared children.

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Hillel the Elder

More LOL.
The last time Germany was a dictatorship was in 1933-1945 and it was YOUR lot that brought it on. If I remember correctly, the Americans were not exactly on your side then.
Pray tell me, what is your 'final solution' for the Jews this time ?

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I wonder if europe ever gets suicide bombed with frequency like israel has in the past, if you will wake up? Or will you still on your hands and knees worshiping the altar of multiculturalism?

Dude, multi-culturalism is a fact of life, not a goal. You may just as well oppose the sun coming up. It's not a problem. There are far more indigenous extremists (as you can tell from some of the participators here) than recently migrated ones.
As for terrorism, even with Madrid and London included, there have been far more extreme right terrorist attacks in Europe than those from extremist muslims over the last 60 years.

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Frank, you came back to spread more hate, racism and fear. How nice.

you think muslims are not extreme rightists? of course not in the last 60 years, this extremeist muslim thing was not around then, or atleast as large and powerfull as it is now.

My question is actually a serious one, At what point would you consider it a reasonable thing to arrest imams that spread extremist propganda? a bombing a week in london, a bombing a month in england? or maybe berlin to be leveled? or all out street violence and pillaging.... I am curious .. would you ever find it reasonable?

I find it a curious thing, see london has wiretapping survielance galore in england, the kind americans get really worried about, but at the same time brits also vigoursly protect muslims from judgement. its rather strange. Well we have some politcal correctness in america, which i find annoying but its ok, cause even if I may intend to say logical criticism of islam, some do in fact have a hatred of it.. so i guess its ok to promote some kind of tolerance, but tolerance without criticism is stupid in my oppinion.

No they're not. Extremist Islam doesn't fit in the narrow confines of a one-dimensional classification from politics.

Never. Nobody gets arrested for spreading extremist propaganda and there's no reason to. I get tons of extremist propaganda in the mail every election and it ain't from muslims.

Don't you realize yourself how silly this line of questioning is ? 'Berlin leveled'
Imams preaching the sharia -if that's what you mean- have nothing to do with alleged bombings anywhere. If they were connected to the bombings (say : sheltering the culprits, financing the thing,...) they will be arrested for complicity in terrorism, but still not for spreading extremist propaganda. If people were arrested for spreading that, every member of the political parties Falke27 mentioned would be in jail.

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And, Frank, denying the Holocaust is something different altogether. Just in case.

Muslims that commit crimes are not protected, vigorously or not. The muslim community as a whole is protected from the generalizations of the kind you're making here by all reasonable people, that is true. There are about 1.5 million muslims in Britain. A handful have engaged in terrorism, and maybe one in a thousand is extremist. The other 1,498,500 should not suffer from the actions of the former 1,500. They are protected from stigmatization and so it should be.
BTW, I'm no Brit.

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Well one can not help but see the similarities between extremist islam, and the lefts view of what a conservative is, warlike and religious fundamentalist.

well i guess if you think extremists getting nukes or dirty bombs is impossible.

true extremists come in all types, but one type we are at war with.
one is promoting violence and does not feel any alliegance to its own country.

1500 can do alot of damage. Right I am very tough and critical of muslims, I admit that freely, but I am without hate. I do think that muslims must have to adapt to our culture, not vice versa. Yes I know multiculturalism is a real think, USA is founded on multiculturalism. But that does not mean the the USA does not have a distinct culture on its own. For instance muslims come over here, they can practice thier customs, but they should also learn english get a job, and get citzenship, and vote. And disperse, share thier culture with the rest of us, people should not live in isolated communities hidden from the rest of us.

Muslims can still learn to appreciate hotdogs and american football and still go to mosques right? Thats what I want to see. ( I am not demanding all muslims watch football, I don't particularly like watching sports) I just mean they should participate in the american way of life as well.

I think the arresting/censuring of imams would do wonders for the image of islam, believe it or not, but the ones that give islam a bad name is not me, not the radical right, its the extremist muslims themselves.

I don't know what you mean by a left's view of a conservative. My view of a conservative coincides with the defintion given by the OED (Oxford English Dictionary). From the concise edition:
I see no relation to extremist Islam. Extremists are more likely to be radical and not conservative.

Nukes, no, I don't think so. Nukes do not have a tendency to lay around.
Dirty bombs, yes, that's a possibilty, but any kind of extremist has a similar chance of getting hold of that. The nuclear Pandora's box has been opened and won't be closed again.
But dirty bombs are not that dangerous, you know. It's unlikely there would be as much as a single death from one.

9/11 was perpetrated by Osama Bin Laden. A Saudi of a prominent family. Most hijackers were Saudis. Whom exactly are you at war with again ?

And allegiance to a country is for nationalists, not for everybody. I have 0% allegiance to my 'country'.

Only if you favour assimilation over integration. Do the Amish assimilate ? Nope, but they're integrated. Most muslims will assimilate, some will integrate.
And what is American culture ? Is it Woody Allen or American football or both ? Is it Alice Cooper, Britney Spears or the Boston Philharmonic ?
My point is that there is no such thing as a national culture. There are many subcultures even within mainstream society. The same argument goes for the alleged danger French or German or UK culture is supposed to be facing.

Mohammed Atta played the role of the average American. That didn't turn out to well...
You have about 3 million muslims in the USA. There don't seem to be much problems there. There was a regrettable, but even in my view understandable, backlash shortly after 9/11 but I haven't heard of serious issues lately. So you have already that number of assimilated/integrated muslims. What's the problem ?

Sorry, but that's only to people who prefer to generalize instead of differentiate. There is so much turmoil on this site over alleged or real anti-Americanism from generalizing statements and you're doing the exact same thing here towards muslims.

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No Sam, I am merely spreading the truth! Something 'Liberals' like yourself are suppose to accept if I understand your signature correctly!

What exactly makes them 'fascist?'

According to my statistics in post # 8 this would translate into:

1) 480,000 UK Muslims believe western society is decadent, immoral and should be destroyed.

2) 180,000 UK Muslims admire groups like Al-Qaeda and are willing to fight the west.

3) 270,000 UK Muslims feel little or no loyalty to the United Kingdom.

4) 540,000 UK Muslims believe that a Muslim who converts to another religion should be "punished by death."

5) 600,000 of UK Muslims (no age specifications/stated divisions) polled want Sharia Law implemented in “predominantly Muslim” areas of Britain

You estimate that only 1,000 are extremist but according to the Christian Science Monitor Scotland Yard estimates that at least 3,000 UK Muslims have gone to fight with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan alone.

And a very painful fact at that! 2,500+ French police can testify to that point! The Norwegian rape victims of predominantly non-western immigrants can testify to that as well.

Their fascist ideology

And this very extrapolation proves how ridiculous your 'statistics' are.

The Christian Science Monitor. Right. Doesn't there strike you something in that name that shows a clear agenda ? Hint : science is not Christian, not Buddhist, not Islamic, not....

You're obsessed with rape. It all boils down to sexual jealousy, doesn't it ?

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Examples please?

Did the surveyors lie?

For a guy who wages a war on ignorance you do display it quite often.

Despite the name, the CSM is a newspaper that covers current events around the world, with a secular focus and writing style

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Despite its name, the Monitor was not established to be a religious-themed paper, nor does it directly promote the doctrine of its patron church.

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Project Censored noted that the Monitor often publishes factual articles discussing topics under-represented or absent from the mainstream mass media. In comparison to other major newspapers and journalistic magazines, the Monitor tends to take a steady and slightly upbeat approach to national and world news. Many readers prefer the Monitor because it avoids sensationalism, particularly with respect to tragedies, and for its objectivity and integrity; at the same time, the paper's staff does operate under the close eye of the church's five-member board of directors, and has sometimes been seen as avoiding issues that involve the church in controversial and unfavorable ways.

The Christian Science Monitor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Keep proving my claims for me!

Interesting huh folks? WOI is more offended with the race realist who complains about the fact that 65% of Norways rapists were non-western immigrants who targeted native Norwegian women instead of the immigrant animals who actually commit the rapes. Does this speak volumes about the leftist lust for diversity at all costs or doesn't it?

I was talking about british muslims having alleigance to britian. Well I do think everyone should have some allegiance to thier own country, you know, atleast for that fact that its your family, friends, culture, language.
well maybe you dont really have a culture since your so multiculturalist I hear that is a problem for british muslims, its hard to attach themselves to a dilluted multicultural society.


Your absolutely right, I would be happy if American muslims were into any side of american culture, be it heavy metal, or classical high class yuppy whatever. They could integrate like the amish so long as I they aren speeking hate and anti western philosphy in thier mosques.

Nope, not to many problems at all, there are some, but no where near as bad as europe. I use my country as an example.