Did you forget all the previous ones?

Those 'statistics' are bullshit and you know it (unless you're really thick).

Frankie, wiki is not a credible source for these things. The article might well be written by the editor of the CSM.
You wouldn't accept the Muslim Science Monitor or the Anarchist Science Monitor. I don't accept the Christian Science Monitor as a credible source.


Whom are you talking to ? Do you hear voices in your head ?
Your numbers are bullshit and you know it. This tactic of the fascists is getting old and all too obvious. It's the same one you use when you're negating the Holocaust.

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You have yet to prove any of the parties you labeled 'fascist' are indeed 'fascist.'

That is a rational intelligent answer.

This is coming from the same guy who posts foreign language links and expects to believe them knowing I cannot read them.

Geez, how can I argue with a rational intelligent line of reasoning like this folks?

Where have I negated anything? As I recall this so called 'fascist' merely opposed the jailing of people who expressed non-violent historical views on aspects of the holocaust while you defended said oppression! Yet you have the nerve to label me a 'fascist.'

It was the most appropriate one given the context and the participant.

Your disability to work with dictionaries or online translators is your issue, not mine.

I don't label you a fascist. I assertively state that you are one. And I treat you as one.

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Racism isn't truth Frank. It's ignorance and fear.

In other words you have nothing rational and intelligent to contribute?

Don't you mean 'inability' smart guy?

What is the difference?

That is a cheap cliche I would expect to hear from a mindless group of low-IQ coke-snorting ARA thugs who cannot defend a bankrupt ideology; I expected more than a cliche from an enlightened liberal Samantha.

You do not seem to mind removing all doubt.

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I am only answering this one small section of your post because it fits in with the other topic we were discussing. I actually agree with you on the other issues and responses you had for those that appear to be more racially motivated in this thread.

If it were true that no one is arrested for extremist propoganda, would that not include holocost deniers. Clearly because that is not the case there are limits to the extremist propoganda countries of Europe are willing to tolerate, but it is just very narrowly focused.

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See my next post.

No. Inability is reversible. Disability is permanent.

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"Say not, 'When I have free time I shall study'; for you may perhaps never have any free time"
Hillel the Elder

So, Frankie, your numbers.
I know it's a waste of time as you're going to defend them even if I were to show they were uttered by the Pythoness of Delphi but here goes:

Step 1:
You, and not the sources, are the editor of the quotes. This can easily be shown by googling an exact phrase. The result is ONE hit, a post of yours on Stormfront.org :
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...html?p=3824559 under the name of FrankW
Incidentally, the fact that you're a regular poster on Stormfront proves once again that you're a fascist as non-fascists are denied posting rights on stormfront except in a small subforum.

Step 2:
Your list of sources is academically false.

At least the following quotes have a common, single source and one that you don't mention.:

It's 74% BTW.

In both cases it's 37% and not 40% BTW.

The real source is a policy paper by Policy Exchange, but you knew that of course. So we add disingenuity and alteration of sources.

Step 3:

Let's look at this single source:
Policy Exchange is a political spin factory for the British Conservative Party. They do not engage in independent research, they write up policies they want to see implemented if the Conservatives ever get back in power. As such, the only research they do is that which corroborates their political goals.
When we look at the methodology of the paper, we find none. Any study of quality is obliged to explain its methodology. Therefore, the academic worth of your source is : zero.

Step 4:

When one actually reads the whole of the source :
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/246.pdf
it becomes immediately obvious that you have cherrypicked (or rather shit-picked) figures from a 100-page report which suited your mindset.
I will do the same from the same report now:

We can thus infer that Islamism is as temporary and innocent as punk was.

How nice and harmless. It could be about Pentecostal christians.

Anyone following this thread should read the entire paper linked above.


Executive summary:
You compiled a list of out-of-context phrases and figures. You hid your true source and made alterations to the original data. The report you abused has no academic value to begin with.

That's what I meant with "It's bullshit and you know it".

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I have nothing against muslims. Its the extremist muslims I have a problem with. And the problem I have is not being able to tell them apart.

What to do?

1. give them the benefit of the doubt and wait for the first suicide bombing.

2. Or take caution.

I take caution. When I see a Muslim in America I can't help but wonder if they are peaceful or the next suicide bomber. Call it racism but the fact is I have read too much about suicide bombings, beheadings, etc to not fear a terrorist atteck happening in the US.

The more muslims we allow into America the better the chance of one being an extremist and a terrorist attack happening. At this point I see it as inevitable.

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If the average person's butt caught on fire I'd be willing to bet the American media could convince them its not in their best interest to put it out.

What you are saying is in fact racism, and as long as you are comfortable with that moniker, well it is a free country. At least until people who think like you start making the decisions.

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So when am I no longer a racist? When I am a victim of a suicide bombing.

Is it not a fact that the more muslims you allow into America the better the chance of one being an extremist? If we didn't allow them to live here, or get an education there would have never been a 911.

In my life the people I deal with have to earn my trust. I have friends who are Muslim who agree with me. Are they racist to?

If being labeled a racist someday saves my or another American's life then it will have proved to be well worth it.

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If the average person's butt caught on fire I'd be willing to bet the American media could convince them its not in their best interest to put it out.

SImply being a muslim and agreeing with your approach does not provide one with a get out of jail free card. Anyone who discriminates against an entire class of people simply because of color, religion, sex, income, or any other reason is in fact exhibiting racist or bigoted behavior. So yes your muslim friends that feel the same way you do are in fact racist.

Again if you feel yourself to be in the right by being racist, be my guest. See I do not fear people like you anymore than I fear people of the muslim faith simply because they are the muslim faith. Know had you said we need to identify those that will try to harn us, either because they have made threats in the past or because of the behavior they exhibit in the present, then we would not be having this discussion. But instead you make sweeping generalizations, in this case based on religion or a specific region of origon or both. That my friend makes you a racist, and people like me just frankly snicker when we hear this anymore. We have had a little over 5 years of this type of fear mongering now and most of us anyway I think are now smarter than that. Clearly however not all of us are.

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Call me ignorant but I always thought you couldn't be racist against your own race. If you can than I am indeed racist against whites even though I am one. I have a fear of the whites that commit crimes like murder, rape, robbery, etc. Actually I fear the bad apples of every single race. Guess thats because I don't rob people, rape, or murder.


Actually I don't consider myself racist in the first place because I don't dislike or discriminate against any single race. I dislike the bad apples of every race. Thats why I require people to earn my trust. When I see a muslim walking on the street I don't necessarlily hate them. Instead I wonder if he is peaceful or a suicide bomber. And I have every right to wonder that with what is going on in the world.

How can one identify a man like Atta? He didn't make threats. He supposedly came here to educate himself. He did nothing suspicious except learn to fly which would have made me suspicious in the first place. Someone in my position would have been suspicious from the start because I didn't trust him and would have wondered if he was peaceful or radical. Someone in yours would have remained status quo and said "we should have done something" after the 2000+ people already died. Real smart eh?

Sorry just because I'm weary or suspicious of a person doesn't make me racist. It makes me aware that some things are not as they seem.

I think the term racism has transitioned into much more than it actually is.

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If the average person's butt caught on fire I'd be willing to bet the American media could convince them its not in their best interest to put it out.