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WOI Logic: 2 out of 2 Vlaams Beland members are convicted of crimes which means 100% of the 2 tried are convicted hence Vlaams Belang does not not have a place in decent society!

I am sorry but I have never resorted to such silly illogical mathematics in my life! Trust me if only 2 immigrants were charged and convicted of crimes; I would not be complaining about immigration as I have done so.
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At least you admit to a 'deliberate exaggeration' of my position; it is a start...
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Interesting .... so if all this can be accounted for by multiculturalism ... why is the Australian economy doing so well at present?

I'm suspecting that there are other causes for the social and economic ills you refer to (and I have certainly read about various causes over the last couple of decades ... in your country in particular), and it is your own blinkered approach that leads you to conclude that multiculturalism is the cause.

Not to mention that the big clash of the future in western societies won't be race or religion ... but related to age group economic inequities (eg struggling overworked gen Y vs wealthy aging baby boomers). Immigration may be the best chance of minimizing this clash.
Did the australian economy do it so well?
Who do participate by the boom? The great capital or the average australian? In an other ponit i will agree with you: The decline of the west, predicted by Oswald Spengler 1917 "Decline oft the west"/Untergang des Abendlandes, copied by Huntington, began decades ago. Demography is one factor.
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Did the australian economy do it so well?
Who do participate by the boom? The great capital or the average australian? In an other ponit i will agree with you: The decline of the west, predicted by Oswald Spengler 1917 "Decline oft the west"/Untergang des Abendlandes, copied by Huntington, began decades ago. Demography is one factor.
An other aspect is liberalism. Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, a german conservative Revolutionary described it very good in his book: "das 3.Reich", the third empire/reich. He desribes very well the bad influence oh liberalism for the western world.In the same way i would recommed (?) to read the following authors:

Carl schmittt
Ernst Jünger
Ernst Niekisch
Oswald Spengler
Karl Haushofer
Arthur Moeller van den Bruck

In germany this philosophs were summed after the movement: Conservative Revolutionaries.
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Re: Young, British Muslims 'getting more radical'

how can the decline of the west be predicted in 1917? he could not have predicted the out come of the world wars and the cold war, the vietnam war protest movement... the fall of soviets.. or the radical islam movement and all that... why should his oppinion be counted?
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how can the decline of the west be predicted in 1917? he could not have predicted the out come of the world wars and the cold war, the vietnam war protest movement... the fall of soviets.. or the radical islam movement and all that... why should his oppinion be counted?
You are be mistaken. The Problems of the present had been fore seen (?). Par example Spengler and Haushofer described very well the problems of demography in 1917(Read the decline of the west- a book which had been a world wide bestseller) , which will exterminate the western world. In the 20s in germany the word "Gebärstreik" (Strike of birth for the bad fertility rate) had been used the first time. Van den Bruck said in allusion to Karl Marx that in europe had been go around a ghost, which name is liberalism. Liberalism killed the spirit of the european countries. the German Philosophs which i enumerated, thought the right solutions. Hitler was insperated by them and execute their thoughts resolutely. This is the origin of NS (national socialism). Keep it radical to rescue the western world.One of his last words in the 'Führerbunker" were: "Ich war die letzte Hoffnung Europas" (I was the last of hope of europe). Summa summarum: All the Problems of the present had been fore seen by conservative philosophs. Since the 1945 nothing new had been thought.
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I also recommend the following books:

"Jahre der Entscheidung" (1934) Oswald Spengler
(Years of decisions?)

and "Das Recht der jungen Völker" (van den Bruck)

i dont know if this books had been translated into english, but this books show in a very vivid way what future the western world, and especially the US as it most barbarian part , would have.
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the US as the "most barbarian part." can you describe what you meant out of curiosity? I can see what you mean an agree with the rise of liberalism, for it seems many europeans cant tell which is worse, americans or islamic fundamentalists in large part. (lol) and birthrate fears, i will say fears because i dont see how it is a problem in the immediate future... me thinks europe will get a rude awakening sooner rather then later... even if it takes 3000 dead in your borders. Basically to me Europe is as low as its going to get, regarding liberalism.. how much worse can it get? the only way from here is back to reason and sensibility.
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Did the australian economy do it so well?
Who do participate by the boom? The great capital or the average australian? In an other ponit i will agree with you: The decline of the west, predicted by Oswald Spengler 1917 "Decline oft the west"/Untergang des Abendlandes, copied by Huntington, began decades ago. Demography is one factor.
low unemployment, huge increase in average per capita wealth, wage growth ... seems like the average Australian is benefitting at present.... Although personally I would argue that this is a temporary state of affiars, and influenced by global factors and the boom/bust cycle of capitalism at present rather than being linked to multiculturalism ...

Interesting you refer to texts written in 1917 to describe what is happening now. If you were of a different mindset you could refer to Rosa Luxemburg's arguments about the future of capitalism and also social dempcratic nations ... and find plenty of evidence to support THAT perspective.

The demography factor is a by product of a number of things, including, but not limited to, the legacy of western (european) imperialism ... in the past white westerners acted as if they owned the world. The ideologies that enabled us to develop so rapidly have been adopted by other nations who have, in the latter half of the 20th C especially, pushed more and more for democracy, and a view that their citizens were equal to us, and therefore deserving of the same rights. One of the by products of that is that many of these people have become economic migrants to our stronger economies - in the past usually encouraged by western nations who needed the labour to keep their economies growing.

this kind of fell apart on the latter decades of the 20th C, in part due to the economic cycle, resource politics and reorganisation of geopolitical boundaries.

If I were German, Falke ... one of the things I would be looking at before multiculturalism would be the impact of reunification on the German economy over the last decade +.
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The demography factor is a by product of a number of things, including, but not limited to, the legacy of western (european) imperialism ... in the past white westerners acted as if they owned the world.
And I am called a racist!

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If I were German, Falke ... one of the things I would be looking at before multiculturalism would be the impact of reunification on the German economy over the last decade +.
Why is it wrong to acknowledge that the mass influx of legions of unskilled third worlders poses a legitimate security and economic problem for the German nation? Does it make sense to import legions of third worlders into a nation when the economy is suffering? At least why not look at both phenomenons Daisym?
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lol i like the way you labeled your own website frank. lol
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lol i like the way you labeled your own website frank. lol
I thought the new descriptive would turn some heads! Funny part is I have not even added my Russian entries on the blog yet! Those entries will be pretty good and will likely inspire many!
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