Which Korea are you talking about?? Both Koreas are in UN and recognized by each other as independent countries. Changbai Mountain is between China and North Korea. Where is South Korea's business??

Yes Luke, considering the only English source I have which remotely confirms your story is from 1904, and refers to a practice restricted to those who died of other causes and one which is only practiced in remote areas and had almost completely died off even over a century ago. What you seem to be referring to is an ancient practice practiced by long dead Tibetans, who predate even Buddhism's spread into that area.

Which would be around the time where the Romans were slaughtering cows to appease Poseidon. But I figure in your history textbooks the Italians are still roaming around fighting the Gauls, while the Celts engage in human sacrifice and keep the heads of their enemies, just like the British after WWII.

Hell this may be a radically concept, but accusing the group you're persecuting of cannibalism isn't even a new tactic, its just the hacks in the CCP copying from the Romans, who accused precisely that of Christians.

Fact is, the only actually documented cases of cannibalism in recent history in China have been the result of the CCP's policies and the starvation they caused.

No you don't seem to understand, its clearly part of Korea, since obviously in your world possession doesn't carry the 9/10s power that it does in Common Law systems, we'll just have to accept Korea's claim.

And since the west supports the eventual reunification of Korea, we must understand that its strictly a 'Domestic Issue' and China should vacate the territory and cease 'interfering' with the domestic issues of Korea.

So, don't come to bother Beijing before your dream of Korea reunification ever happens. If one day, there is only one Korea in UN, then they might propose such a problem. Otherwise, it is none of South Korea's business. You seem stupid to refer "domestic issues" to a non existent unified Korea. Who cares about what the "West" support?? Here is the "East".

What is ur point in "9/10s power" or "Common Law System"? Changbai Mountain is divided between China and North Korea. No other country is even relevant.

Luke,I sure TD don't understand doesn't understand the relationship among N.korea and S.Korea.and i sure he doesn't know how do Chinese feel N.Korean and S.Korean.
TD support anything,any country,and guy,if he think what he support is Un-Chinese.
Changbai mountain is in the China and N.Korea border,there's no S.Korean's business.this is simple logic
Ok,S.Korea and N.Korea will reunify one day.then Changbai mountain will be the border between China and New Korea.but i failed to see Changbai Mountain is belong to Korea.say again,not only Korean lived in Northeast China in ancient time,but also Manchu,Mongolia,Han lived in there.not only ancient Korea palace was located in there,but also Manchu's Kingdom Jing is established in there.

and we don't interfere in S.Korea and N.Korea's internal affairs.what's the time of the re-unification of Korea is none of our business,we just consider Korean has no right to get Changbai Mountain,but we Chinese don't care which Korean: N.Korean or the New Korean of new Korea after unification.any Korean has no right to get Changbai mountain

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U r ridiculous. Who accuses Tibetans of cannibalism?? They don't eat human flesh!! They only peeled the skins of female virgin teenagers for religion practice when they were under Buddhism theocracy.

English source written by 14th Dalai Lama and his followers are far from enough (you are also bad at finding information). Before this Dalai Lama's fleeing, you can probably find little "English source" about Tibet. However, ever since Tang Dynasy, Chinese have close interaction with the TuBo Kingdom ruling Tibet at that time. Except Tibetan language, Chinese language documents have the most abundant and thorough information about Tibet. Your can only count on your "English sources" for their good old lives of monastery nobles and high ranking Lamas in Tibet before they flee.

If you really want to know the real Tibet, learn Tibetan language and read all those scripts and books in Tibetan Archive.

Your analogy to the Romans are more ridiculous. The earliest documented history in Tibet is from 7th century, when Ancient Romans had ceased existing for centuries, unless you are talking about Byzantine.

Those human skin drums are still allowed as long as the skins are from dead person. You can buy them with only 100 bucks. My friend got one when he visited Lhasa. Next time, I can bring a human skin drum to America to show you as long as American customs office has no problem with it, and also you have the gut to see it.
The original copy of that letter I referred to in my last post is still preserved in the Tibetan Archive in the original Tibetan Language. That happened just in 1950. From 1951 to 2001, the average life expectancy of Tibetans is extended from 36 to 67. These benefits are enjoyed by the vast majority of the "used to be" serfs and slaves. Of course, Dalai Lama will not tell westerners about those.

All your English sources are about the beautiful lives of those slave owners and noble lamas brought out by Dalai Lama and his higher class followers. If you read ancient Chinese and Mongolian documents or Tibetan archives, Tibetan noble's religious life is written down together with the nightmares of the serfs and slaves.

CCP persecuted those high ranking noble Lamas. In 1951, 5% of the Tibetan population owns all the land. These 5% are persecuted in 1950s and flee in 1959. The other 95% of the serfs and slaves enjoy much better lives after the Buddhism theocracy was overthrown.

CCP destroyed some Tibetan Buddhist temples during Cultural Revolution, as well as Han Buddhism temples. That was Mao's mistakes. You cannot say Han people persecute Tibetans.

You cannot all blame on those westerners. Many of them cannot even figure out their own European history, not to mention having a little knowledge about the Far East.

Wow thank you Luke for giving us yet another example of the cultural racism and bigotry I mentioned in the post to Winter. You guys are really better at pointing this out that anything I could do.

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U r groundless to accuse me of cultural racism. Many Chinese cannot figure out Chinese history either. In average, Western Europeans and North Americans are better educated than average Chinese. But it is simply too hard for most of the westerners to understand about Far East. It is also too hard for Chinese to understand about Europeans and Americans. I SAID THAT NO PEOPLE CAN BLAME ANYBODY ELSE REGARDING THESE.

No this is what you said

I fail to see where people from any other region were mentioned, or the fact that even Chinese can't figure out Chinese history. You may think it is difficult, but in essnece it isn't any more or less difficult than European history, Japanese history, American history, or Russian history. The fact that you think it is is in and of itself a form of cultural racism. Luke just keep on going down this road. As I said you and Winter are doing a better job showing us this facet of Chinese culture than anything we could have ever done.

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Oh, come on! I am not writing an academic paper. Of course, it won't be that thorough in the first place. I don't see Chinese history is more complicated than European history or vice versa. Don't impose what you interpret on me.

All I said in that post is that u cannot blame the westerners for not knowing enough about Tibetan theocratic history. In the same way, you cannot blame a Chinese for not knowing about Germany's parliamentary unification efforts before Bismack used iron and blood. However, Chinese do have more knowledge of the Far East history than westerners, as well as Europeans know more about Western history than Chinese. Of course, there are many situations when Europeans or Chinese do not know their own history, as well.

You have a certain bias built in your mind before you read my posts, and you always comprehend my posts in the wrong way. Also, it has nothing to do with Winter.

This is the natural conclusion of all the rules China has claimed over the past few decades. If a country can simply annex another country, e.g. Tibet, then claim its a 'purely domestic issue' then Korea can do the same with China.

And since China doesn't recognize the Taiwanese Government as a sovereign, legitimate, and independent entity, there is no reason for South Korea to recognize the North as the same. So really they should be able to exercise all the attempts of power over the North in regards to international affairs as China would.

So you should really stop meddling in the domestic affairs of Korea. After all they claimed that mountain as their own, and they once ruled it in the past, therefore no other country could possibly exist there which isn't Korean! Its a perfectly legitimate claim, I expect China which is immensely interested in not meddling in other countries Domestic Affairs to vacate the land completely and to never speak of it again.

9/10s rule in common law means that when there is a question about ownership, the person in possession or use of it, owns it.

For example, in the case of Taiwan, the Taiwanese Government and people own it, not China. Because they are in possession of the land (in addition to all the rules of self-determination)

Sorry Luke but if you go back to your posts and the one where Winter actually is saying the same thing it is in fact a form of cultural racism. You yourlsef indicated that education in China is still far from universal, so as a percentage of the population those in the West that are knowledgable of Chinese history are I am sure much greater than Chinese knowledgable of European or American history, and I would even think there is a case that they are a higher percentage of the population than Chinese aware of their own history, again given the education deficit you speak of.

I read your posts as you write them. Perhpas you and winter whould be a little more careful about how you put the words together if you do not wish to reinforce the stereotype that Chinese feel they are culturally superior to other regions.

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I know your knowledge deficiency will make you bring up Taiwan and Tibet. First all, South Korea recognize the North Korea as another country, and North Korea recognize the South as another country. After the Korea War, China, America, North and South Korea signed truce contracts at the 38 degree line. Both Koreas are represented in the United Nations. Now, some Koreans would like to have a unified Korea, but that is not the legal situation. In contrast, legally speaking, Taiwan and the Mainland China are still in civil war without any truce or peace contracts. If Beijing or Taipei start to fight tomorrow, they don't even have to declare it.


China began to rule Tibet, Siberia and Outer Mongolia since Yuan Dynasty, and has never lost Tibet since then. But Siberia and Outer Mongolia were lost to Russia. Ancient Korean Dynasties once ruled Changbai Mountain, but they lost it several hundreds of years ago. Also, China directly ruled North Korea and North Vietnam for hundreds of years, and lost them then. If you think South Korea can claim Changbai Mountain, then China can claim North Korea and North Vietnam. If Taiwan, Tibet and any place want to get independent from China, they have to win the wars. Similarly, America won the wars against England and London recognized that it lost North America, so America become being recognized as an independent country.

In my last post, I mean that many westerners are only seeing one side of Tibet from the 5% monastary nobles and high ranking lamas under Dalai Lama's theocracy, neglecting the majority of the serfs and slaves. In 1950s, Chinese society was lagging behind the western society for at least two hundred years, and I can say that Tibetan society was lagging behind Chinese society for another almost a thousand years due to the geographical difficulties.

Nowadays, Tibet is being modernized as well as the rest of China. You cannot demand Tibet to go back to systematic slavery and theocracy because westerners are curious and find it exotic and fun to see others acting stupid.