TD tried to fool us by his funny logic

Gort misunderstand us.maybe this is lanague difference,maybe this is culture or Values difference,anyway,I have no meaning to insult you,Gort

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Ah so if they don't recognize North Korea as a separate country they can claim your mountain legitimately then?

You see this is so much easier when you simply accept the general rule for these matters, the country which is using it, tends to be the country which owns it.

Odd I seem to recall a certain invasion...

Once upon a time, Nationalist China ruled China, then lost it, once upon a time China ruled Taiwan then lost it. Just as Korea lost the mountain, you lost Taiwan

Except thats not my argument, China has tried to claim Vietnam, failed miserably, but tried and claims Taiwan all on the same principle of 'we once ruled it'. If those claims are legitimate, then South Korea's claims must be legitimate too. You have to choose, either South Korea doesn't have a claim to the Mountain, or you don't have a claim to Taiwan.

Taiwan is strong enough to ensure that if a war broke out the cost would be too high for China to emerge in one piece. Besides, why do they need to fight a war? They're already independent.

Except before we fought the war there was actually a British presence in the colonies. Taiwan doesn't need to fight against a government which holds no claim over them.

Before the American Revolution the British were
-Collecting Tax
-Passing Laws
-Enforcing those Laws
-Providing Protection

Currently China does none of these things in Taiwan, so logically they don't need to do a thing, they're already independent.

Luke,stop arguing this issue with some one.,cuz it's not worth spend your time to argue with him!!!you know if someone's head fill with Un-Chinese feeling,then it means he is hysterical.I really don't like some one confuse different questions to fool others.

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Luke I seem to recall from my limited and clearly imperfect knowledge of Chinese history that the Yuan was in fact a Mongol dynasty started by Kublai Kahn. After they got done trashing the Han they in fact did try to rule through the Han but that never really worked out. Anyway to use your own logic since it was the Yuan that brought Tibet under their rule, and the Yuan were mongols not Chinese, it is only right then that Tibet return to Mongolian rule. Your argument might have been helped had it actually been Chinese to took Tibet in the time period you mentioned. I guess you were correct Chinese history is difficult. Even you made the mistake of calling the Yuan Dynasty Chinese. I also notice that WInter did nothing to try and correct this error on your part. IS it possible that Chia refuses to acknowledge they were ver conquored so instead have no turned the Mongol invasion into a purely internal civil war type event?

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Gort, I think our key failing in learning Chinese history is that we forgot the axiom that the CCP is never wrong about anything, and that it is the obligation of all of us to think up some convoluted logic to justify any and all land grabs and actions by the Chinese Government, while condemning and ridiculing all other nations.

What the hell?? If the South Korea did not recognize the North, they would not have signed the truce contract in 1953. Yes, if they recognize North Korean territory not as another country, they are eligible to make the claim.

It is much easier for the world to be ruled by America, isn't it?

The civil war has not ended. According to the Constitution in Taiwan, their formal capital is in Nanjing, mainland China, and their territory covers Han China Proper, Xinjiang, Tibet and Outer Mongolia.

China lost wars against Vietnam hundreds of years ago. Korea lost wars against China hundreds of years ago. These wars ended with proper contracts and agreements between the authorities of both sides. The war against Taiwan has not ended yet. Have u ever taken a GRE or LSAT test??


Between 1945 and 1949, the Republic of China with Capital in Nanjing ruled both mainland China and Taiwan. All those tax and law stuff in Taiwan is ruled by Nanjing government. After 1949 till now, the loser of the wars: the republic of China has continued to do taxes and laws in Taiwan. Both sides of the Taiwan strait claims that they are the real China. The civil war is still going on. If Taiwan wants to formally declare independence, the civil war legal status will naturally become reality.

hehe, this is a political forum. You are supposed to fight. It is fun to argue with some Americans.

So the US could claim Cuba as its own territory since we don't recognize the Cuban Govt?

Its easier when you use common sense which has been recognized by the world for over 800 years in almost all the worlds legal systems, rather then make up new rules and explanations to justify the CCPs actions every single month.

Yes, and China considers Taiwan part of its country, so you're equally capable of deluding yourselves. Congratulations.

Then until only recently Sparta and Athens were at war, even though they were part of the same country, and hadn't engaged in hostilities for over two millennia, fact is that wars can end without formal agreements. Fact is you're at peace whether you like it or not.

No shit, which means they're still sovereign in Taiwan, and Taiwan is still part of a separate and distinct nation.

So you're entire legal basis relies on rhetoric? Impressive, you finally moved on from the "they look like us" argument.

Then where are the casualties? Oh wait, you're not actually at war.

This is a good question! Mongol Empires brought by Genghis Khan was divided into four major Kingdoms. Yuan Dynasty in China adopts Confucism. Other Kingdoms adopt Islam or Orthodox. Mongolians were not culturally strong and changed themselves into the local civilizations.

After Kublay Khan settle down in Beijing, he adopts Han Chinese civilizations with Confucism hierarchy and flexible noble systems. Mongolians continued the National Confucism Examinations to select people from the lower class into nobles. Actually, even before Kublay Khan conquered China, many of his high officials were Han. Therefore, Mongolians have done much less war atrocities in China, which is why when Marco Paulo visited China at the beginning of the Yuan Dynasty, he found the Chinese still rich.

You see, we are not racists. Chinese is not a race, but a cultural term. The pure racially Han do not exist, and we all mix with and assimilate Huns, Xianbeis, Turkish, Qidans, Mongols, Manchurians and Southwestern minority groups like Vietnamese, Laos and Burmese. As long as they organize their countries with Chinese philosophies, and locate their central powers in China proper, then they are Chinese.

If you still want to talk about race, China has almost 6 million Mongolians, while Outer Mongolia has about 3 million Mongolians. It seems that the majority of the Mongolians are represented by China. So whatever you are trying play around, it comes back to my points.

Have you ever directly ruled Cuba before??

The international legal system does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

Taiwan Constitution considers Mainland China and Outer Mongolia as part of the ROC too.

Spartans and Athens were both conquered by Romans, Byzantines and Osaman Turkish. There are thousands of historic legal documents proving their governance in Greece.

Taipei Constitution considers ROC is the legal Chinese government, while Beijing Constitution considers PRC is the legal Chinese government. This is the fact. It has nothing to do with what they look like.

Regarding your war comment, since you love legal systems, there is difference in "de facto" and "status quo". Beijing and Taipei are in civil war status, but no fighting is happening in this period of time. Is this too complicated for you to understand?? Then you should stay at home counting high school algebra, not to come here.

Yes, immediately after the spanish american war.

the little bit of International Law which deals with this matter would recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Overt Foreign recognition, or even foreign recognition is not a requirement for sovereignty.

Yes and that is also not true. The ROC doesn't control China, China doesn't control Taiwan, they are separate nations, hell Canada could pass a law tomorrow that Mexico is part of Canada and it wouldn't make it so.

But they never signed a peace treaty until just recently in the 20th century. So by your idea, that a peace treaty is absolutely necessary for a state of peace, is clearly incorrect, otherwise Sparta and Athens would have still been at war until sometime in the 90s.

Except if states enter into a de facto peace, which we can describe as the absence of war, whether or not they formally signed a peace of paper is irrelevant, they are at peace.

Thats not what you have said in past threads.

War is defined by two nations fighting each other. There is no fighting, therefore there is no war. You might be able to argue there is a Cold War, which technically isn't a war.

Because so many dictionaries describe war as a complete absence of fighting!

No active military operations, no campaigns, no force of arms, no fights, no battles, no casualties, then there is no war. South Korea and North Korea are still at war because they are still fighting.

Taiwan is democrtic now,but Taiwan Governement is not good.a famous TV soaps which names "the flying fox on snowy mountain雪山飞狐" was shot in Changbai mountain in 1991,because some principal actress are Mainland people,so Taiwan Government tried ban this TV soaps play in Taiwan TV.

here is our Chinese beautiful Changbai mountain(in TV soaps：P)
YouTube - chinese tv opera 2

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[quote]Suprise suprise a red chinese who doesn't think the Taiwanese government is good. I would laugh at the shere audacity of you complaining that Taiwan bans a television show if it weren't for all the hypocracy that statement evokes.

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