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Changbaishan mountain belong to Korea?

Digital Chosunilbo (Chinese Edition) : Daily News in Chinese About Korea
in the Asia winter season Games(Chang Chun city,Ji Lin province,China),five S.Korea player show some placards when they receiving the prize.the placards is mean"Changbaishan mountain is our Korean territory"

in ancient times,some parts of North east China are belong to Korea.so S.Korean said not only Changbaishan mountain belong to Korea,but also Hei Long Jiang province,Ji Lin province,Liao Nin province are belong to Korea too,the reason is these three provinces was a part of ancient Korea kingdon.
that's so funny.in ancient times,not only Korean lived in Northeast China,but also Mongolia,Manchu-Chinese,Han-Chinese,you know in Song dynasty and Ming dynasty,some Manchu-Chinese lived in Northeast China,now S.Korean ask Chinese to retumn the mountain to them, by their logic,Manchu-Chinese eastablished Jing kingdom and Hou Jing kingdom in Northeast China,so Manchu-Chinese should ask N.Korean retumn lands to China.and Russian got much lands from Qing government in Qing Dynasty,so Chinese should ask Russian retumn lands to China?
Damn Korean logic.I am really sick of it





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S.Korean protested Chinese.the reason is ancient Korea history: in ancient times,Korea Kingdom palace was locate in Northeast China,so they consider Northeast China is belong to Korea today.
in Tang Dynasty,Qing Dynasty,China territory is more large than today.then Chinese should ask East Europe countries,Middle Asia countries to retumn lands to China?
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Lifes a bitch when it is someone else wanting your territory and not the other wa around isn't it.
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I think China should give Tibet back their country. But it seems once a country successfully takes land from another country, it's hard to get it back.
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Lifes a bitch when it is someone else wanting your territory and not the other wa around isn't it.
Korea was subordinate to China before Japan took it as a colony. The present border was decided between Korea and Chinese Qing Dynasty, and then reconfirmed by Japan and China. The last time that Koreans owned Changbai Mountain was almost at least half a millenium ago. They have nothing to support their claim.

Given the friendship between China and North Korea in 1950s, Mao agreed to give part of the Changbai Mountain to North Korea because Kim Il Cheng claimed that he was born there. China has no land borders with South Korea, so South Korea has no legal right to claim anything regarding Changbai Mountain.
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I think China should give Tibet back their country. But it seems once a country successfully takes land from another country, it's hard to get it back.
Regarding to Tibet Issue:

We respect Dalai Lama as a knowledgable person, but I see his political positions hypocritical. About Tibet, the facts are:

1. Mongolians first conquered Tibet in 11th or 12th century, and included Tibet in the Yuan Dynasty, with capital in Beijing, together with Siberia, Xinjiang and Manchuria.

2. Throughout the Ming Dynasty and Qing Dynasty, every new Dalai Lama and Panchan Lama must be inaugurated by the government in Beijing. Beijing usually sent some generals to Tibet to represent the central government. But it is true that the central government rarely interfere with the theocracy in Tibet.

3. During the Republic of China, due to the warfares in the rest of China, Tibet nobel lamas did have more autonomy power, but even Americans admitted Tibet as part of China, which can be shown in American documentaries about China through 1930s and 1940s.

4. In 1952, CCP army entered Tibet with little resistance. Dalai Lama and Panchan Lama acceptted the Communist Party and went to Beijing to see Mao in 1954.

5. In 1957 and 1958, national land reform began to spread to Tibet. In Han China, the land were distributed to the peasants from the landlords. In Tibet, the land were given to the serfs and slaves from the monastary nobles. This severely hurt the interest of those high ranking Lamas, which provoked the 1959 Dalai Lama's fleeing.

6. Throughout the cultural revolution, some Tibetan temples were destroyed. But this was not specifically focused on Tibetans, those temples in Han China were also destroyed. It is Mao's mistakes that hurt all China.

7. In 1960s and 1970s, CIA funded and trained those exile Tibetan nobles to fight with Chinese army. During these periods, Dalai Lama never said any thing about "peace".

8. After Nixon's visit, America abandoned Tibet army, and in 1980s, it was almost impossible for Dalai Lama to win anything in the fight. Then, he began his peace advocation.

Nowadays, Dalai Lama has become a "nice" guy with Buddhism thoughts, which most westerners feel curious and exotic. It is good. I would like more people to know about Buddhism thoughts.

Before CCP entered Tibet in 1952, Tibet was under absolute theocracy. Female serfs' skins were often peeled to make drums for religious ceremonies. It was not a peaceful and beautiful story as Dalai Lama tells the westerners. I agree that: after 1959, monastary nobles in Tibet were persecuted, but most of the peasants and serfs gain much more rights than before.
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Regarding to Tibet Issue:

We respect Dalai Lama as a knowledgable person, but I see his political positions hypocritical. About Tibet, the facts are:

1. Mongolians first conquered Tibet in 11th or 12th century, and included Tibet in the Yuan Dynasty, with capital in Beijing, together with Siberia, Xinjiang and Manchuria.

2. Throughout the Ming Dynasty and Qing Dynasty, every new Dalai Lama and Panchan Lama must be inaugurated by the government in Beijing. Beijing usually sent some generals to Tibet to represent the central government. But it is true that the central government rarely interfere with the theocracy in Tibet.

3. During the Republic of China, due to the warfares in the rest of China, Tibet nobel lamas did have more autonomy power, but even Americans admitted Tibet as part of China, which can be shown in American documentaries about China through 1930s and 1940s.

4. In 1952, CCP army entered Tibet with little resistance. Dalai Lama and Panchan Lama acceptted the Communist Party and went to Beijing to see Mao in 1954.

5. In 1957 and 1958, national land reform began to spread to Tibet. In Han China, the land were distributed to the peasants from the landlords. In Tibet, the land were given to the serfs and slaves from the monastary nobles. This severely hurt the interest of those high ranking Lamas, which provoked the 1959 Dalai Lama's fleeing.

6. Throughout the cultural revolution, some Tibetan temples were destroyed. But this was not specifically focused on Tibetans, those temples in Han China were also destroyed. It is Mao's mistakes that hurt all China.

7. In 1960s and 1970s, CIA funded and trained those exile Tibetan nobles to fight with Chinese army. During these periods, Dalai Lama never said any thing about "peace".

8. After Nixon's visit, America abandoned Tibet army, and in 1980s, it was almost impossible for Dalai Lama to win anything in the fight. Then, he began his peace advocation.

Nowadays, Dalai Lama has become a "nice" guy with Buddhism thoughts, which most westerners feel curious and exotic. It is good. I would like more people to know about Buddhism thoughts.

Before CCP entered Tibet in 1952, Tibet was under absolute theocracy. Female serfs' skins were often peeled to make drums for religious ceremonies. It was not a peaceful and beautiful story as Dalai Lama tells the westerners. I agree that: after 1959, monastary nobles in Tibet were persecuted, but most of the peasants and serfs gain much more rights than before.
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I think China should give Tibet back their country.
too bad Tibet is not a country in history.Mongolia and Manchu conquered them,and British invaded Tibet two times.and ROC(KMT) inherit Tibet from Manchu-Chinese's Qing dynasty in revolution in 1911,PRC(CCP) inhert Tibet from ROC(KMT)since KMT troops faild in the second China civil war and went to Taiwan in 1949.

if you want other 55 ethnic groups Chinese give Tibet to Tibetan and let them to establish a new country,then in the 5th reply,that guy has a good suggestion: American should give America back to native Indian.will WASP American and African-
American and other ethnic groups American want to do this?I sure the answer is NO.

and Dalai Lama seems doesn't want to make Tibet to be independence,he just wish Tibet being a High degree of autonomy area

and i suggest you ask Dalai Lama how does he feel serf system when you meet him next time.
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serf system was really existent in Tibet.this is truth.Dalai Lama hided something to Western world.
I didn't say CCP isgood,I just tell the truth.if i think CCP is right,then i say CCP done a good job.if CCP did something shit,i would say CCP make mistake.I am frank,and i have nothing to hide as CCP and Dalai Lama
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serf system was really existent in Tibet.this is truth.Dalai Lama hided something to Western world.
I didn't say CCP isgood,I just tell the truth.if i think CCP is right,then i say CCP done a good job.if CCP did something shit,i would say CCP make mistake.I am frank,and i have nothing to hide as CCP and Dalai Lama
Then show me proof female serfs skins were peeled to make drums. Moreover since you acknowledge that Mongolian and Manchurian peoples had conquered Tibet before the Chinese had, shouldn't they now be in control. After all it all seems to come down to who has the oldest claim on a territory for you and Luke. If that is the case you should leave tibet now and let the Mongols resume their occupation.
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Why is China Meddling in Korean Politics?! This is clearly a strictly domestic matter for the Koreans to decide!

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too bad Tibet is not a country in history.Mongolia and Manchu conquered them,and British invaded Tibet two times.and ROC(KMT) inherit Tibet from Manchu-Chinese's
Nope not a country, they invaded an invisible landmass which didn't previously exist. Until the invasions it was just a bottomless pit.

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Then show me proof female serfs skins were peeled to make drums. Moreover since you acknowledge that Mongolian and Manchurian peoples had conquered Tibet before the Chinese had, shouldn't they now be in control. After all it all seems to come down to who has the oldest claim on a territory for you and Luke. If that is the case you should leave tibet now and let the Mongols resume their occupation.

Let me educate you about Tibetan Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is more or less between Buddhism and Hinduism. In Yuan Dynasty, Kubilai Khan support one type of Lama incarnation to rule all Tibet. However, that Lama was not popular, and was overthrown after Yuan Dynasty was overthrown in Beijing. In Ming Dynasty, Tibet had many Lamas who divided the local power. Beijing gave more fundings to the Dalai Lama incarnation against other Lamas. In Qing Dynasty, the kings confirmed the power of Dalai Lama, and to balance the power, they also set up Panchan Lama to co-govern Tibet. Both of them must be recognized and inaugurated in Beijing.

There are two types of human skin drums in Tibetan Buddhism. One of them is made from the skins of the dead Lamas. This type of skin drums are used to summon the gods and ghosts in religious ceremonies. The other type of skin drums must be made from virgin female teenager slaves. The girls who qualify to be made into drums must have never had any sexual activities, and have never said and done anything dirty. This type of drums are more used for the living Lamas to practice religion for themselves. If you have any knowledge of Hinduism, you will know that some sects of Hinduism require sexual activities to practice religion. Here it is the same. Sexual intercourse is also necessary for Tibetan Buddhism Lamas to practice their religion, and its effects are upgraded by the skin drums made from female virgins.

Nowadays, CCP prohibit the second type of drums, but not the first type. So if you have the chance to visit Tibet, you can still buy the first type of skin drums. The price ranges from 600 to 1000 yuan, which is only about 80 to 120 US dollars.

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The first picture you see in this website is a Skeleton Bowl used in similar situations as baptizing. The second one is a Bone Flute with a very high pitch. The third to the seventh pictures are about human skin drums. The two hemispheres that you see are made from human skulls, and the drum is covered by the skins. The last one is another Skeleton Bowl. These four websites show where the skeletons that are not used to make bowls go.

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This picture shows typical Tibetan serfs before 1952:
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This picture shows the skins peeled off from teenager virgin girls. Tibetan Buddhism has special techniques to peel a whole piece of slave skins. I don't think you want to hear the details.
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If you visit Tibet Archive Museum, you can find the original copy of a letter written in 1950 in Tibetan language from Lhasa to the Rebudian tribe of Tibet:
"To celebrate the Buddhist birthday of Dalai Lama, all members of the lower temple must practice religious script for 15 times. To finish all procedures, we need to prepare food for the eagles. Please immediately send one set of intestines, two skeleton skulls, all types of blood and a whole piece of human skin."
If you really want to know about Tibet, go there and visit those museums. Tibet before 1952 is only a paradise for those high ranking lamas.


By the way, there is a song about human skin drums made from female virgins: Sister Drum
YouTube - dadawa 朱哲琴 阿姐鼓 sister drum mtv
Her elder sister cannot speak, so is considered very pure virgin who cannot have said anything dirty. She is selected to be made into drums, and her younger sister is missing her and finally find the drum made by her elder sister.

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