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Old 02-27-2007
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racial diversity is also a source of love.


Of course, we only talk about bad examples integration, but good example of integration are plenty, like my friends.
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racial diversity is also a source of love.
Tell that to the 2,500 injured police officers and the thousands of people who watched their vehicles go up in smoke.

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Of course, we only talk about bad examples integration, but good example of integration are plenty, like my friends.
This is a crock! The establishment beats us over the head with the alleged benefits of diversity while numerous European nations will imprison or fine people who talk about the 'bad examples of integration' as you put it under Orwellian 'Inciting Racial Hatred' laws.

Adherence to the doctrines of Multiculturalism and diversity are enforced under threat of legal sanction.
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Old 02-27-2007
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Commenting on the death toll from the attacks, Le Pen said: "3 000 dead, that is how many die in Iraq in a month and it's far less than the deaths in the Marseille or Dresden bombings at the end of the Second World War."
You know Le Pen never stops surprising me with his ramblings. I wouldn t have thought he would give a damn about Iraq. I don t understand why he even mentioned it. With his previous racist rants and views on immigration. I would have thought he would be far more sympathetic about 9/11 than he would be about Iraq.
Though to be fair he is anti everything so I suppose it makes sense for him to knock 9/11 as an incident. In the same way he brushed off the holocaust and Frances vichy regime.

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Of course, we only talk about bad examples integration, but good example of integration are plenty, like my friends.
I know many great people who are truly integrated. In fact whilst in Lorient most of my friend were of foreign origins. However the problems in the "Banlieues" don t surprise me.
My friend who is of Algerian descent and middle class was not able to find work as an architect in France. She had 2 different Masters and years of unpaid work experiance but it all meant nothing for her, I know French people less or equally educated who got a job far quicker.
She knew she wasn t going to get work. She would get so disheartened I can t imagine how someone from a really poor background would feel.
She went to America to be with her husband and got a job in weeks. I know it would be the same in my country. People should get jobs on their ability, experiance and qualifications IMO rather than nationality. My friend was lucky but I can understand people feeling dissillusioned because of work discrimmination.
In Dublin there are so many educated French people of Magreiban origins working their way up from call centres as they can t get any work back home. If some people have such low morale it can turn into hooliganism and crime in some cases.
There is no excuse for the violence and rioting though some must feel there is no point in getting an education if it won t serve anything. I remeber reading a sad article about how women of the banlieues were feeling. Their views on education were pretty much "whats the point as we know it won t get us anywhere".

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Even if he is considered as a pro-american, he was against the Iraq war
Then he's really pro-American, not just pro-ideology.

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Tell that to the 2,500 injured police officers and the thousands of people who watched their vehicles go up in smoke.



This is a crock! The establishment beats us over the head with the alleged benefits of diversity while numerous European nations will imprison or fine people who talk about the 'bad examples of integration' as you put it under Orwellian 'Inciting Racial Hatred' laws.

Adherence to the doctrines of Multiculturalism and diversity are enforced under threat of legal sanction.
Your attempt to paint this all as being a cause from the left is getting old. I am all for joking about France like anyone else, but true belief like yours is a cause for concern. Bush wants to tap phones, imprison on suspiscion and muzzle you. So where you get the being jailed for speaking out against diversity I don't know. Europe has had every form of government imaginable and they have always had uprisings, revolutions, riots, so your identifying it as a left problem is wrong. We have problems in every country, sure you have people of immigrant descent angry in France, but as Anselme pointed out, many are French, born in France, and is there not far too many murders and weapon crimes in the US commited by Americans?

What can I say, I have to give it up to government's of the western world, they have done a masterful job of making us fear immigrants and primarily those of middle-eastern descent. They bank on people buying their fear mongering and allowing them to head further right, where they can become fascists. All the while saving terrorists time and bodies as our own governments now does their work for them.
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Your attempt to paint this all as being a cause from the left is getting old.
I do not believe that I said anything about the 'left?'

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I am all for joking about France like anyone else, but true belief like yours is a cause for concern. Bush wants to tap phones, imprison on suspiscion and muzzle you. So where you get the being jailed for speaking out against diversity I don't know.
Maybe you should educate yourself a little bit and look up the incitement to racial hatred laws in Europe and Canada.

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Europe has had every form of government imaginable and they have always had uprisings, revolutions, riots, so your identifying it as a left problem is wrong.
I do not recally blaming leftists for all of this but if I did I retract it! Canada and France have 'Conservative' governments and these laws are on the books under their regimes.

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We have problems in every country, sure you have people of immigrant descent angry in France, but as Anselme pointed out, many are French, born in France, and is there not far too many murders and weapon crimes in the US commited by Americans?
What does this have to do with anything?

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What can I say, I have to give it up to government's of the western world, they have done a masterful job of making us fear immigrants and primarily those of middle-eastern descent.
Nobody has to force anyone in Europe to fear immigrants! The rampaging hordes of migrant criminals do this themselves...

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They bank on people buying their fear mongering and allowing them to head further right, where they can become fascists. All the while saving terrorists time and bodies as our own governments now does their work for them.
All one has to do is look at the crime stats to see the reality of the threat posed by migrants to France! An article from 'Islam Online' states that 70% of prisoners in France are Muslim! No fearmongering needed to accept how diversity has failed in that regard!
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