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enigma, what is the greatest nation in the world? use all possible attributes that would make a nation the 'greatest in the world.' including sizable positive influence on the planet, reliability in allaince, social-economic-environmental policies, freedom, safty consider anything you consider relevant and tell me why you think that nation is so.. this is out of curiousity.


engima what you are knocking is not american politicians, its american patriotism. notice when i say america is great or when anyone else says that, they have never sung any praise to any politician or politcal party. i do not think R's or D's make usa great, i just think usa is great. criticise politicians all you want no one really minds.
Ted, again you have missed the point of my post. There is no 'greatest nation' there never will be a 'greatest nation'. As for military might, as far as I'm concerned that should be the last yardstick to be used, as, if you have half a brain, this means that other more important areas of society have been shamefully neglected. Schools, hospitals, the common good all suffer in its name!

For a start OUR planet is in very grave danger from pollution and war. Every country, particularly those who are the biggest polluters should be striving to save her not 'looking out' for its own interests and benefits.

Look beyond your borders, ted, you and your country are only a part of this world we all share. Whether you like it or not, ted.
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uh huh, when have i shown that i do not care about other nations and other peoples? in danger of wars, environment.. all things i care about, that is within our borders and throughout the world. i care about supporting all states to fight against evil. i care about sound environmentalism. i care about everything and i still think america is great. aint that strange?
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uh huh, when have i shown that i do not care about other nations and other peoples? in danger of wars, environment.. all things i care about, that is within our borders and throughout the world. i care about supporting all states to fight against evil. i care about sound environmentalism. i care about everything and i still think america is great. aint that strange?
If you so say, ted.
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i do. dont believe me? think patriotism somehow means i am not supposed to care about anyone else?
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i do. dont believe me? think patriotism somehow means i am not supposed to care about anyone else?
ted, you show every day in your posts just how much you care!!
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i agree thank you.
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of course what i do has nothing to do with what other people do. patriotism itself is not contradictory to caring about other people or environmentalism.
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You're sharp as a tack, ted!!
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thank you, as are you.
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Really? Because it seems to me, we don't butcher our people nor do we torture people for stretching. There is a legitimate cause to worry when a country is actively causing harm, its ridiculous to demonize a country for past actions more then half a century ago which did not directly harm anyone but instead simply used leverage against evil people prevent greater harm from occurring. Would you object to plea bargains in the criminal justice system for reduced sentences in exchange for saving lives?
Well, it is correct that you don't butcher "your people", but you only butcher and torture people from other countries and other races. China keeps disasters in Chinese territory, while America spread disasters around the world. Nice try!

I stated the fact about American covert intimacy with Japanese fascists, which is not demonization. But in other issues, China can demonize America as much as America demonize China.

So, what "lives" have you saven by your covert intimacy program with Japanese fascists?? After 1945, communism spreads to North Korea, mainland China and finally all Vietnam, Laos and part of Cambodia. South Korean and Taiwan island dictators also butchers many of its own people. American anti-Communism campaign in East Asia is totally a failure.

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So you've seen racist literature, there are similar reports for your own country, but I'd recommend actually seeing the opinion of the average Japanese citizen before drawing conclusions based on a segment of the media.
I have been Tokyo streets with first hand experience with right wing Japanese activities all day long. Japanese media, art and literature is an important part of the culture in the whole East Asia, so u can not say my conclusions are based on "SEGMENTS".
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Well, it is correct that you don't butcher "your people", but you only butcher and torture people from other countries and other races. China keeps disasters in Chinese territory, while America spread disasters around the world. Nice try!

I stated the fact about American covert intimacy with Japanese fascists, which is not demonization. But in other issues, China can demonize America as much as America demonize China.

So, what "lives" have you saven by your covert intimacy program with Japanese fascists?? After 1945, communism spreads to North Korea, mainland China and finally all Vietnam, Laos and part of Cambodia. South Korean and Taiwan island dictators also butchers many of its own people. American anti-Communism campaign in East Asia is totally a failure.



I have been Tokyo streets with first hand experience with right wing Japanese activities all day long. Japanese media, art and literature is an important part of the culture in the whole East Asia, so u can not say my conclusions are based on "SEGMENTS".
There is a shrine in Japan (there may be several but I am talking about the main one) which is hand in glove with the imperialist, rightwing Japanese. Every year it "commemorates" the fall of that imperialism. For many decades no Japanese Prime Minister would set foot in it. The present incumbent is practically an habitue.

If that fact alone doesn't indicate that there is an upsurge in nationalist, imperialist feeling in Japan, TD. then what else would you put it down to?

As someone pointed out in another thread, in Lithuania they have put up a memorial to the Lithunanian Waffen SS.

These groups, with the help with the economic irrationalists who have destroyed the social fabric of many countries, are making a resurgence with disaffected groups in those societies. Many, like those in Japan, have been supported and often financed by US foreign policy initiatives since the Second World War, or even before.
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Japan,Mainland China,Taiwan?
today is 228,in 1946,in Taiwan there was happened something shit.in Japan, Japanese right wings had a assembly.although i can't read all Japanese characters in their banner,but i know that Japanese preached "China threat" speech,and preached "Japan unite Taiwan to antagonize China".I think the below sentense is "the East sea of Taiwan is Japan's life line"
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There is a shrine in Japan (there may be several but I am talking about the main one) which is hand in glove with the imperialist, rightwing Japanese. Every year it "commemorates" the fall of that imperialism. For many decades no Japanese Prime Minister would set foot in it. The present incumbent is practically an habitue.

If that fact alone doesn't indicate that there is an upsurge in nationalist, imperialist feeling in Japan, TD. then what else would you put it down to?

As someone pointed out in another thread, in Lithuania they have put up a memorial to the Lithunanian Waffen SS.

These groups, with the help with the economic irrationalists who have destroyed the social fabric of many countries, are making a resurgence with disaffected groups in those societies. Many, like those in Japan, have been supported and often financed by US foreign policy initiatives since the Second World War, or even before.

The Yasukuni War Shrine began to honor the 14 class A war criminals in 1970s, which is why China and Korea oppose Japanese officials' worship there. The Japanese King stopped to worship that shrine after the war criminals were added there, but the prime ministers and other politicians have always been worshipping there since the Japanese Right Wing are very politically strong.

The last prime minister Junichiro Koizumi worshipped there very frequently, which is why China and Korea were angry. The present one: Shinzo Abe, is worshiping Meiji Shrine instead of Yasukuni Shrine. China and Korea both can accept that, because Meji Shrine honors the Meji King who modernized Japan, and had peaceful diplomatic policies. But Shinzo Abe himself is definitely an ultra right wing politician. I think his grandfather was one of those 14 war criminals.
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Japan,Mainland China,Taiwan?
today is 228,in 1946,in Taiwan there was happened something shit.in Japan, Japanese right wings had a assembly.although i can't read all Japanese characters in their banner,but i know that Japanese preached "China threat" speech,and preached "Japan unite Taiwan to antagonize China".I think the below sentense is "the East sea of Taiwan is Japan's life line"

Yeah, Japan is trying to get his old colony, Taiwan, back.
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Well, it is correct that you don't butcher "your people", but you only butcher and torture people from other countries and other races. China keeps disasters in Chinese territory, while America spread disasters around the world. Nice try!
China doesn't keep its atrocities within its territory, unless you forgot that you supported Kim Il Sung and currently supports Kim Jong Il, and that it annexed Tibet, fired SRBMs at Taiwan in order to meddle with its elections. But I guess the US would be just dandy if we took the Chinese Governments approach and simply claimed that Iraq was always part of the US and decried any country meddling in its "domestic affairs"

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I stated the fact about American covert intimacy with Japanese fascists, which is not demonization.
Were it coming from someone else, perhaps not, but the matter of demonization comes from the intent behind it, and from our past discussions, and the fact that this was already well known, makes me doubt you just wanted to have a debate on history.

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But in other issues, China can demonize America as much as America demonize China.
Ah reciprocity with no claim to the facts.

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So, what "lives" have you saven by your covert intimacy program with Japanese fascists?? After 1945, communism spreads to North Korea, mainland China and finally all Vietnam, Laos and part of Cambodia. South Korean and Taiwan island dictators also butchers many of its own people. American anti-Communism campaign in East Asia is totally a failure.
Yet South Korea and Taiwan, for all their faults in the past, now butcher no one, while the nation the CCP loves to thump their chests and claim their support of is widely considered the worst hellhole on earth. Operation Paperclip, and others like it can claim many achievements, the US's ability to place a man on the moon, and the maintenance of mutually assured destruction was a direct result of recruiting Nazi Physicists and Rocket Scientists.

What good has come of China parading it every year to justify its xenophobia?

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I have been Tokyo streets with first hand experience with right wing Japanese activities all day long. Japanese media, art and literature is an important part of the culture in the whole East Asia, so u can not say my conclusions are based on "SEGMENTS".
Japanese Culture is exported to the US too, but it doesn't need to go through censors in order to do so here. And I'm sorry if I think there might be a slight bit of cognitive dissonance existing when someone's government tries to convince him nigh his entire life that the Japanese are evil.

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