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What a marvellous excuse - They all did it and so did we!

That may be true, however, no country on earth has been touting their 'moral and democratic superiority' for the last 60 years as long and as loud as the US and with less reason!!

As I said before, if the American people knew the dirty deeds that had been done in their name by their leaders many would be unable to accept the truth. However, those that did would be very, very angry.

It looks as though the responses to my post have proven that particular point.

It is a case of parting with one's dearly held illusions.
The fact that several countries benefited from the Cold War, including the US, is fact. If you want to place blame, then blame all or or blame none. If you want to just blame the US while ignoring the other countries, then that makes you a hypocrite.

Additionally, I know more about the "dirty deeds" the US has done than you probably. It was why I said that my country has made mistakes, like other countries who have made mistakes. I do not place outright blame on any one individual or country, but look at the historical facts and try to place myself in their shoes in order to analyze those set of events. I don't think you do that and your postings show that. The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Perhaps you should try that. The Japanese system is much better.

Finally, the US, like every other coutnry, wants to further its economic and political influence. Is the US no different than China for instance?
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Chinese army does not go to North Korea and kill them like American army kill and rape the people in other countries who does not show obedience to Washington.
Luke, although US soldiers have committed rape and murder, it is more of an individual basis than following "orders." This argument is constantly used in Okinawa and South Korea; however, citizens from those countries have also committed those same deeds. Why should US soldiers be treated any different.

NOTE: If the US soldier was found guilty in a court of law following the Agreement between the US and the host country, then I want that soldier punished and out of the military too. If it was a civilian, then I want that civilian punished in accordance with US law or the host country's law. To me, it makes no difference whether the perputrator is US or not. Same rules must apply.
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I fully agree with your above statements. Frankly speaking, America is a very successful country. There are a lot for China to learn from America. Most Chinese people admire American achievements in all fields. Due to all the huge differences in the history and culture between the two countries, it is very very challenging to build trust between China and America. Whoever can do this shall get a Nobel Prize.

About Korea War, I agree that NK invaded SK and America conquered NK. At that time, Russia did not want to interfere, neither did China who is only 2 years after the civil war and desperately poor. China's interference is after MacAthur's arrogant bombings across NK-China border.
I only hopes this applies to Zhang Ziyi too. Since Jan 24th, the trash talk about her and her boyfriend boggles my mind sometimes although some it has to do with her having a foreign boyfriend.
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The fact that several countries benefited from the Cold War, including the US, is fact. If you want to place blame, then blame all or or blame none. If you want to just blame the US while ignoring the other countries, then that makes you a hypocrite.

Additionally, I know more about the "dirty deeds" the US has done than you probably. It was why I said that my country has made mistakes, like other countries who have made mistakes. I do not place outright blame on any one individual or country, but look at the historical facts and try to place myself in their shoes in order to analyze those set of events. I don't think you do that and your postings show that. The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Perhaps you should try that. The Japanese system is much better.

Finally, the US, like every other coutnry, wants to further its economic and political influence. Is the US no different than China for instance?
Then why aren't you speaking out against it continuing to do so? Or do you agree with the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the drums of war now beating for Iran?
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Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i am actually surprised that you are trying to argue this enigma.. its really common knowledge.
The country was 'partitioned' not turned into two countries, ted.

The same with Vietnam
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Then why aren't you speaking out against it continuing to do so? Or do you agree with the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the drums of war now beating for Iran?
its none of chinas business, china has its own population of muslims to be concerned about. irans drums against america are just as loud.
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The country was 'partitioned' not turned into two countries, ted.

The same with Vietnam
so what ? they were still two different countries. un partitioned israel and germany and eastern europe to soviets as well. think south korea would like to be under the rule of mr kim?
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so what ? they were still two different countries. un partitioned israel and germany and eastern europe to soviets as well. think south korea would like to be under the rule of mr kim?
Probably not, ted. But they do want their country to become one again.
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whats worse.. a free prosperos democratic south korea and a non unified korea.. or a unified equally oppressed korea with half the entire population starving or homeless.
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whats worse.. a free prosperos democratic south korea and a non unified korea.. or a unified equally oppressed korea with half the entire population starving or homeless.

There is a third option. Besides, it's not for you and I to decide, it is for the Koreans.
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but if north korea invades.. and south asks for help i think it is in our right to do so. what is third option? the koreans deciding for themselves should not mean one korea deciding for the other... like what nk attempted to do in korean war...
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Then why aren't you speaking out against it continuing to do so? Or do you agree with the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the drums of war now beating for Iran?
Technically, I agree with the invasion (not the way it has been handled in the past and now being handled), and not for the reasons what you are thinking of. If you studied the 13 previous UNSC resolutions including the cease fire resolution, the failure of the weapons inspectors, the constant shifting from Saddam Hussein, and so forth, you might understand why. Of course, those countries who opposed the war were not doing on moral ground either. But from my perspective, in 1998, there were three options: dissolve the weapon inspections and let Iraq go free, invade, or continue the failed containment policy. None of the options were perfect and all involved risk, just some more than others, like the first and last options.

As for Iran, I am not in agreement to invade under the current circumstances. Iran is exposing the very weakness of the UN. China, US, even the EU do not want Iran to develop military nuclear capability. They have not agreed on the particulars of how to ensure Iran will not develop military nuclear capability. If Iran does develop the weapons, it will destabilize the region much more than the Iraq invasion ever dreamed by its critics. Also keep in mind that Israel is China's alley too.

This will help explain the relationship between China and the US on the Iranian Nuclear Issue.

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Easy there the CCP propaganda is getting to you, North Korea routinely kills and rapes its people and that is what the Chinese Army went into North Korea to preserve. It couldn't stand the though of a free and independent North Korea, nor could it stand the thought of people living in peace. What about the cozy relationship with Sudan? Did China see another country prosecuting a genocide and decide it found a friend?
China went to NK in 1950s after MacArthur crossed the border and attacked Chinese targets. At that time, I don't see any difference between NK dictators and SK dictators. NK and SK signed truce contract in 1953. They are not in war status like Mainland China and Taiwan. We don't interfere with anything outside Chinese territory. Whatever NK or Sudan governments do is their own national business.

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No more then Korea or India are parts of Chinese Territory.
In previous threads, I have already given a list of conditions to be qualified as Chinese territory. Korea does not fit, not to mention India Proper. However, Taiwan and Tibet fits very well.

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Having an opinion about your intent, particularly when it is so blatant is hardly spreading a rumor.
Since ur "opinion" is wrong, it is a huge rumor.

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I'm sorry, we have plenty of facts, from the persecution of the falun gong, to reverse matching of organs...
I have already stated about the cult issue in previous threads. You cowardly avoid any discussions based on facts and logics then. Now you go back to do research on my previous threads.


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Oddly enough, the Afghani's like the US and Canada, and no, with the Taliban largely beaten into the south any prospect of the Taliban even coming close to North Korea are part of a distant past. But I'm sure Xinhua told you that the North Koreans love to have chemical weapons tested on them, to be tortured, beaten, raped, and killed, and they love to have it done by China's puppet.
I am sure Western Media told you Afganis like Americans. That American puppet government in Kabul can hardly control anything outside the capital. However, the opium dealers there do like Americans since Taliban forbids opiums. America is as dirty as other governments. In those American secret prisons, thousands of people are tortured, beaten, raped, sodomized and killed. We don't interfere with NK domestic affairs.


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You (personally) are not racist? I disagree.

Someone who continues to decry the US for the working conditions during the construction of the railroads, is quite plainly seeking to find justification for his racism.
I stated the fact before that American founding fathers used slavery labor and genocide to accumulate the original resources and capitals to develop American capitalism. Chinese labors abused by American governments during the railway constructions were also part of American plan to collect money and resources asap. Where is my Racism??

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This is your test? Are you serious?

A samurai follows bushido, and is a soldier in the service of a feudal lord, a part of a caste of warriors of the highly stratified in ancient japan. They were the top of the social scale until the in the Tokugawa Shogunate they were largely seeing their power replaced by the merchant classes.

A ninja, and shinobis like them were not bound to bushido, were disdained by the warrior class, and did not view it as honorable to die in battle like the Samurai envisioned, taking down as many enemies as possible, and instead would seek to either escape or to kill themselves. There is some debate whether Ninjas existed as they are currently envisioned, due to an incredibly sparse collection of historical sources on them, although there were certainly assassins and spies the debate lies in the extent and role they played.

So heres my question, can you outline the time period directly before the formation of the Tokugawa Shogunate, say from Oda Nobunaga's battles up to the battle of Sekigahara?

Howabout the Meiji Restoration, what were its primary causes, what was its ultimately ironic conclusion?

Fascinatingly enough, we get quite the selection of translated History books on japan, even ones written domestically
You partly answered one of my easiest questions. You have not told me yet which city is the third largest city in Japan without using any help.

Let me teach u about Japan. Without any help, I only know the English pronunciations of the most famous Japanese. I know the Japanese names of many detailed wars and persons, which are in Chinese characters, though.

Fascinatingly enough, with some help from Japanese alphabets, we can almost read the most original ancient and modern Japanese documents, not those written and distorted by contemporary Tokyo government.

The War Kingdom periods are one of my favorite part of ancient Japanese history. Oda Nobunaga (织田信长) defeated many other powers in Japan and almost unified all local powers through many many wars. However, he was killed because one of his lower generals rebelled unexpectedly. Then, Hashiba Hideyoshi (丰臣秀吉) managed to collect most of the Oda Nobunaga's old power and further defeated other remaining powers in Japan. Hashiba Hideyoshi invaded Korea. Korea asked help from Chinese Ming Dynasty. Then Hashiba Hideyoshi was defeated in Korea and he finally accepted the peace conditions from Ming Dynasty. He left Korea and Ming Dynasty granted him the position as King of Japan. Then he invaded Korea again and lost to Ming Dynasty again, and died in Japan. Then Tokugawa Leyasu (德川家康) rose up and defeated the some lower generals' powers in Hashiba family in the war in Sekigahara (关原). Tokugawa Leyasu reached the top of all local powers and set up his governance. The losers in Japanese civil wars were pushed into Eastern China Sea and began to molest coastal Chinese areas as we call them Jap Pirates (倭寇)。 Some Chinese generals in Ming Dynasty defeated them and eliminated the pirate molests.

Meji Reform transfered Japan from a feudal country to a modern country. Before Meji, the Japanese king is more like a figurehead and the real power is in the Tokugawa family. Tokugawa family only allows Japanese to trade with China and later China allows Netherland to trade with Japan because Dutch embassadors in China agreed to kneel down to the Chinese king. Evil Americans then forced Japan to open up by war threats. Tokugawa family was forced by American Imperialists to sign unequal contracts and was blamed by many Japanese. The Meji King cooperated with local powers and defeated the Tokugawa family and got the power back to the king. The reform was very successful. During Meji times, many sammurais lost their jobs and some politicians wanted the Meji King to invade Korea to reduce the pressure, but Meji King finally sticked to peaceful diplomacies. However, later, Meji King invaded Taiwan. China and Japan tried to use diplomacy to solve the problem. Finally, China compromised and Japan conquered Okinawa instead. Then, Japan got stronger and stronger and finally defeated China and Russia, emerging as the big power in Western Pacific. After Japan defeated China in 1895, Taiwan was given to Japan as colony until 1945. During Meji Reform, Shintoism is further emphasized to honor and deiify the king, which partly leads to the following fascism and militarism.

Without any help, tell me what is the most famous Japanese political jokes against the leading party in 2004, and what are the major types of Shintoism??
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Fellas, I really don't care about these 'tests' can we get back on topic.

The actions taken 60 years ago could have a negative impact on the part of the world I live in. Can we get back to that?

Luke, I'm concerned that the Japanese government, along with past governments, are still refusing to acknowledge their treatment of women during WWII. An Australian woman has been giving testimony before a Congressional hearing, along with many Korean women, about her use as a 'comfort woman'. She has stated that she was a young virgin at the time of her capture and was raped and made use of by the Japanese occupiers.

It is very brave of her to make this statement, in fact, she kept quiet about it for many years. However, when she heard that Japan was denying that they had used captured, or local, women for this purpose, she decided she must also speak out.

We can only hope that the US brings its influence to bear on the Japanese government and the atrocities committed by Japan during WWII will finally be acknowledged.

Apparently, the Japanese people are not told about these atrocities. The building of the Burma railroad by Australian and British prisoners of war is a particular disgrace.

Japanese military sexual slaves are sponsored by the Japanese government and military, organized by many Japanese companies and organizations. Koreans, Chinese including both from mainland and Taiwan, Philipinos and some Europeans and Australians are forced to serve the Japanese soldiers in military brothels. One previous Japanese prime minister apologized verbally, but refused to set government fundings to compensate those still-alive sexual slaves.

The current prime minister whose grandfather is a confirmed war criminal refuse to acknowledge that Japan forced those women as sexual slaves and he said there is not enough hard evidence to prove that those women are not voluntary sexual slaves. Those war time documents, if not destroyed by Japanese, all go to America, and who knows if the "hard evidence" is not listed in the CIA archives representing the friendship between America and Japanese Fascists.
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why is it america that is supposed to get the blame for not forcing japs to take responsibility instead of japanese to blame for not accepting responsibility. other nations like australia could just as easily do the same thing.
People and many countries still have a little hope that America can do the right thing. For Japan, I don't think anybody has any hope in them.
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